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Title: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: rcgomes on November 14, 2014, 12:27:24 AM
hello everyone, my bike from the excessive consumption of oil in travel, the oil leaks that the mechanics do not know where it comes from !!
now left with more problems
the oil drain bolt plug not selling well !! and for losing it is in clock direction and for tight is anticlock!! wrong way??? and it was to tight i think it damage the hole now!!
and the oil filter got stuck !!!  i dont have good luck!! need go exorcist

i need to ask some help for oil drain plug if i put some teflon + hight temp silicon will help?

and this valves for no more damage ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-Tiger-955i-Stahlbus-Sump-Plug-with-Oil-Drain-Valve-M14-x-1-5-/321438652144?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item4ad73c96f0

http://www.oildrainvalve.net/ez-oil-drain-valve-ez-106-14mm-1-5/

here the oil filter 191 rounded!! the triumph tool doesnt work!! what i do now?? oh my good!! never had this problems

(http://s17.postimg.org/rs1n53grv/IMG_20130317_095955.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/rs1n53grv/)

trust in garage is this end...


thanks
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: maxx rs4 on November 14, 2014, 12:44:07 AM
If your oil drain hole threads are stripped, I wouldn't trust teflon tape and silicone as a repair. If it suddenly lets go when you are riding you can quickly end up with a seized motor!

The proper way to fix it would be to drill, tap, and helicoil and use are larger drain bolt.

(http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/116742d1285469817t-diy-stripped-oil-pan-drain-plug-repair-helicoil-method-img_5948.jpg)

(http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/116743d1285469832t-diy-stripped-oil-pan-drain-plug-repair-helicoil-method-img_5953.jpg)

(http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/116747d1285469932t-diy-stripped-oil-pan-drain-plug-repair-helicoil-method-img_5966.jpg)

To get your oil filter off, and easy trick is to take a long screwdriver and stab it through the filter's side. Then use the screwdriver as a lever to twist off the filter.

(http://i.imgur.com/swCyyDE.jpg)
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: rcgomes on November 14, 2014, 08:48:14 AM
Quote from: maxx rs4 on November 14, 2014, 12:44:07 AM
If your oil drain hole threads are stripped, I wouldn't trust teflon tape and silicone as a repair. If it suddenly lets go when you are riding you can quickly end up with a seized motor!

The proper way to fix it would be to drill, tap, and helicoil and use are larger drain bolt.

(http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/116742d1285469817t-diy-stripped-oil-pan-drain-plug-repair-helicoil-method-img_5948.jpg)

(http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/116743d1285469832t-diy-stripped-oil-pan-drain-plug-repair-helicoil-method-img_5953.jpg)

(http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/attachments/e39-m5-e52-z8-discussion/116747d1285469932t-diy-stripped-oil-pan-drain-plug-repair-helicoil-method-img_5966.jpg)

To get your oil filter off, and easy trick is to take a long screwdriver and stab it through the filter's side. Then use the screwdriver as a lever to twist off the filter.

(http://i.imgur.com/swCyyDE.jpg)

good morning!! thanks very much!!! i will never trust the bike in garage for oil changes!!! i have a torque wrench and will do it my self!!! and you now the oil filter and drain plug NM torque settings? 20/30 nm? thanks

i do in my another bikes and car and never had this issues!!!

for this helicoil need to take of the pan right?

and the drain valve i show in first post? is good? with this never more issues
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: Marc on November 14, 2014, 09:25:08 AM
torque for the drain plug is 25Nm
see also:  Girly Talk >  Girly Wisdom and Illustrated 'How-To' Threads > Torque values

With a new helicoil, bolt,  a new copper or alu O-ring you'll have no problems anymore!
I have no experience with this drain valve thing. (wouldn't go for it personally)

And if you want to drill properly, I think you'll have to take the pan off.
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: rcgomes on November 14, 2014, 09:39:24 AM
Quote from: Marc on November 14, 2014, 09:25:08 AM
torque for the drain plug is 25Nm
see also:  Girly Talk >  Girly Wisdom and Illustrated 'How-To' Threads > Torque values

With a new helicoil, bolt,  a new copper or alu O-ring you'll have no problems anymore!
I have no experience with this drain valve thing. (wouldn't go for it personally)

And if you want to drill properly, I think you'll have to take the pan off.

and and this way?? with this i can use triumph oem drain plug right? is the oem 14mm x 1.5 ?

my idea is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnP1HQkq70s&index=123&list=WL

http://www.amazon.com/Helicoil-5334-14-Save-A-Thread-Thread-Repair/dp/B0002SRF4O/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6bsOqVATLo

buy kit like this and no need to take out the pan i need to buy the 14x 1.5? right?

i only see 14x 1.25
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: rcgomes on November 14, 2014, 01:15:05 PM
i found this!!

http://www.thorintl.com/Drill-Sizes-HeliCoils-Metric.shtml

now i just need to see my oem drain plug for measure for right side!! dont now id go for 1.25 or 1.5D

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141432904645?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: maxx rs4 on November 14, 2014, 02:34:10 PM
I have tapped plenty of things without removing them and having it squared in a jig. It's definitely doable without removing the pan.. but you obviously run the risk of not getting the threads square.

I think save a thread and helicoil are both going to give you satisfactory results.

It killed me how the one guy sprayed brake cleaner into the drain hole! That stuff liquifies oil like crazy, I sure hope he really flushed that out afterwards  :bug_eye

I wouldn't use the drain valve either, but I can't really see why it would necessarily be bad.
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: Marc on November 14, 2014, 03:05:45 PM
Quote from: rcgomes on November 14, 2014, 09:39:24 AM
and and this way?? with this i can use triumph oem drain plug right? is the oem 14mm x 1.5 ?

my idea is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnP1HQkq70s&index=123&list=WL

http://www.amazon.com/Helicoil-5334-14-Save-A-Thread-Thread-Repair/dp/B0002SRF4O/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6bsOqVATLo

buy kit like this and no need to take out the pan i need to buy the 14x 1.5? right?

i only see 14x 1.25

IMHO you could certainly go for these options, but then you have to purchase a drain plug 14x1.25!  The OEM plug is 14x1.5

QuoteIt's definitely doable without removing the pan.. but you obviously run the risk of not getting the threads square.
:nod
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: rcgomes on November 14, 2014, 11:25:34 PM
Quote from: Marc on November 14, 2014, 03:05:45 PM
IMHO you could certainly go for these options, but then you have to purchase a drain plug 14x1.25!  The OEM plug is 14x1.5
:nod

sorry im confuse here!! because have a lot of dif 14mm thread

the helicoil  that i will need for the is for use same  OEM drain plug

have this options:

my bike is 2004 Girly

14mmx1.5x1D

14mmx1.5x1.5D

14mmx1.5x2.0D

14mmx1.5x2.5D

thanks for help, im far away from the bike now and like to place a order in ebay
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: maxx rs4 on November 15, 2014, 12:43:58 AM
Quote from: rcgomes on November 14, 2014, 11:25:34 PM
sorry im confuse here!! because have a lot of dif 14mm thread

the helicoil  that i will need for the is for use same  OEM drain plug

have this options:

my bike is 2004 Girly

14mmx1.5x1D

14mmx1.5x1.5D

14mmx1.5x2.0D

14mmx1.5x2.5D

thanks for help, im far away from the bike now and like to place a order in ebay

14mm is the diameter of the bolt, 1.5 is the pitch of the threads (distance from one thread to the next), and I would assume that the last number would be the depth of the insert?

Quick ebay search gave me this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Helicoil-Thread-Repair-Kit-M14-x-1-5-Drill-and-Tap-Insertion-tool-/140887307211?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20cd89b3cb which contains everything you should need.

Is your OEM bolt stripped too? I'd be surprised.. if it is just get a 14x1.5 drain bolt too!
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: rcgomes on November 15, 2014, 09:15:18 AM
Quote from: maxx rs4 on November 15, 2014, 12:43:58 AM
14mm is the diameter of the bolt, 1.5 is the pitch of the threads (distance from one thread to the next), and I would assume that the last number would be the depth of the insert?

Quick ebay search gave me this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Helicoil-Thread-Repair-Kit-M14-x-1-5-Drill-and-Tap-Insertion-tool-/140887307211?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20cd89b3cb which contains everything you should need.

Is your OEM bolt stripped too? I'd be surprised.. if it is just get a 14x1.5 drain bolt too!

hi, the kit you search is a lot of expensive and come from china!

have in uk more cheap

http://www.ebay.com/itm/141432904645?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331378086509?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/180466710633?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181164030996?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&var=480248320125&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

i have 2 more OEM drain plugs, but im working far from home, only in one week i go see my bike!! but ebay take some time to bring tings... so im triing to place the order


this tools help

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bolt-Thread-and-Pitch-Size-Gauge-Measuring-Tool-FG-Marder-Monster-HPI-BAJA-LOSI-/361102498545?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item541362daf1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TZ-51-Blade-Whitworth-BSW-And-Metric-Screw-Pitch-Thread-Gauge-Nuts-Bolts-/400804384119?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5d51cd8d77

place order in all tools (dont like this movies anymore)

(http://s23.postimg.org/qr7bsjc6f/image.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/qr7bsjc6f/)

now only need the oem drain plug in my hand for measure

but i think is 14mm x 1.5 x 1.5= 21mm +- insert

when i go for the job i will post pic
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: rcgomes on November 26, 2014, 07:24:43 PM
hello, I already have the helicoil kit and measures for triumph oil plug are 14mmx 1.5x 1D

this kit have everiting for repair

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141432904645?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

now my oil filter does not came out even with screwdriver!! so i will make a tool for extrat it!! like this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2nDh93-Yog
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: Sin_Tiger on November 26, 2014, 09:11:38 PM
That's a lot of trouble to go to. Better use a strap wrench if the screwdriver didn't work. You can make one if you want to save money, don't really need seatbelt webbing, just about any soft webbing will do. Grip as close to the base plate as possible. This is just one suggestion Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J-YWVDcjZs)
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: rcgomes on November 26, 2014, 09:44:18 PM
my filter now is like this

https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+oil+filter&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=RDt2VOHIG5evaYHEgfAF&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1092&bih=491#facrc=_&imgdii=_MWNQxtWQS4q_M%3A%3B19RYilyY68o5DM%3B_MWNQxtWQS4q_M%3A&imgrc=_MWNQxtWQS4q_M%253A%3BsHUU03qFkR5OPM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fjimsgarage.files.wordpress.com%252F2006%252F08%252Fbuggered-up.jpg%253Fw%253D640%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fjimsgarage.wordpress.com%252F2006%252F08%252F23%252Fhow-to-deal-with-that-stuck-oil-filter%252F%3B640%3B480
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: rcgomes on December 02, 2014, 06:25:20 PM
hi, already repair the thread with helicoil!! but next time i will try the other alternatives... helicoil is like a spring!! i prefer the spark plug thread repair is more solid. like time sert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RptM-jCzLtQ

i discover also~a little crack outside the oil pan drops very little oil  sometimes... is very litle but its there!!

i seach this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/QUIKSTEEL-METAL-STEEL-BONDING-PUTTY-CARGO-QUICK-SEAL-EPOXY-ADHESIVE-2OZ-/261669227918?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cecb38d8e

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLdhiiH44Zo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0FQkgfdvxo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvVvVMnitAM

someone tried?
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: Sin_Tiger on December 03, 2014, 10:16:33 AM
Well done repairing the drain plug  :thumbsup

With a crack in alloy, epoxy repairs will only slow the leak down as you can never completely remove the oil from the crack. Welding repair is possible but very difficult forthe same reasons.

Save your money my friend and send a letter to Santa Claus for an undamaged sump.
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: Bixxer Bob on December 03, 2014, 06:02:12 PM
It seems counter=productive, but the crack needs to be drilled to stop it spreading. Just a small hole, 2.5 or 3mm at the very end of the crack. Make sure you definitely find the end of the crack first.  The idea is that the crack ends in the hole so it can't spread any further due to vibration etc.

Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: blacktiger on January 15, 2015, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: Bixxer Bob on December 03, 2014, 06:02:12 PM
It seems counter=productive, but the crack needs to be drilled to stop it spreading. Just a small hole, 2.5 or 3mm at the very end of the crack. Make sure you definitely find the end of the crack first.  The idea is that the crack ends in the hole so it can't spread any further due to vibration etc.

And let the oil piss out. Good work John.  :ImaPoser He needs to take it off and get it welded.
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: Bixxer Bob on January 15, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
Working on his previous comments I assumed he was going to try to repair the crack using epoxy, in which case the crack needs to be stopped first.  I thought that was so bleedin' obvious I didn't need to spell it out  :BangHead
Title: Re: tiger 955 oil drain issues
Post by: rcgomes on January 15, 2017, 11:56:30 PM
hi i end up install a bleed valve like this one and i weld the crack with jb weld!! now only have oil coming out from the valve itself in the inside sphere. the oil crack the jbweld stop the leak

(https://s23.postimg.org/zfaqidy5z/transferir_8.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/zfaqidy5z/)

(https://s30.postimg.org/uprgzozil/Oelablass_Anleitung_6er_engl_500.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/uprgzozil/)

mine is this one

http://www.stahlbus.com/info/en/products/oil-drain-valves

another models have same issue also
but very little leak about only one drop shows in maby 2 weeks

for trip repairs etc is the best
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