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Girly Bikes 1999 - 2006 Tigers => Girly Talk => ECU and Fuel Injection => Topic started by: EvilBetty on February 20, 2009, 09:35:00 PM

Title: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: EvilBetty on February 20, 2009, 09:35:00 PM
When I began my 24k maintenance I started hearing and reading about the OEM plastic fuel fittings snapping during maintenance, or even while riding.  Mine looked fine but I decided not to take the risk.

Many seemed to be buying a metal fuel fitting kit from Team Triumph (http://www.rideteamtriumph.com/tiger.htm) for $75.00 + shipping.  This looks to be a fine kit, with Colder CPC (http://www.colder.com/) chromed brass fittings, equipped with Viton o-rings.  (The OEM plastic fittings are also made by Colder, so it's a direct replacement)  The kit reportedly comes with instructions and Teflon tape on the fittings.

In trying to save a little money, I dug and found a company that sells individual Colder (CPC) fittings to the public, QuickCouplings.net (http://www.quickcouplings.net/).  First impressions, great website.  When I had some questions about the o-rings I didn't get immediate responses via email, but when I called I was given the very detailed information I needed.  Shipping took about a week.  When I went to fit the parts I realized I had ordered one of the barbed fittings in the wrong size.  I was prepared to pay return shipping and a restocking fee, but when I called they dropped the correct part in the mail and I had it in two days, free of charge.  THAT is the kind of customer service that keeps me coming back to a company.

These fittings use BUNA-N o-rings, not Viton rings, but are equivalent. (different brand, same application)
http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,5521#35076 (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,5521#35076)

My 2005 Tiger had a 1/4" supply line, and 3/8" return line, so these are the parts I ended up purchasing.

PARTS:

2 x LCD10004BSPT - 1/4 BSPT Valved CPC Coupling Body (http://quickcouplings.net/osc/product_info.php?cPath=22_33&products_id=642) for the tank fittings.

1 x LCD23006 - 3/8 Hose Barb Valved Elbow CPC Coupling Insert (http://quickcouplings.net/osc/product_info.php?cPath=22_33&products_id=680) for the return line.

1 x LCD23004 - 1/4 Hose Barb Valved Elbow CPC Coupling Insert (http://quickcouplings.net/osc/product_info.php?cPath=22_33&products_id=679) for the supply line.

All of these parts are valved like the OEM parts.  If you don't feel you have the need for the engine side lines to be valved, you just need the 1/4" threaded fittings, then pickup the non-valved metal barbed fittings from your Triumph dealer for a few bucks (or under warranty in some cases).

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/Jaredcm1/Tiger/DSCN0749.jpg) (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/Jaredcm1/Tiger/DSCN0748.jpg)

INSTALLATION:

First I cleaned off all the old grime from the fuel pump plate with brake cleaner.  

Then using EXTREME CARE not to loose any parts, I pushed the pin in on each tank fitting to allow the slide to be removed.  Once the slide moves beyond it's secured position you are going to have 3 parts fly into oblivion if you do not move slowly and purposefully; the retaining pin, the retaining pin spring, and a spring under the slide tab.  Set these aside.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/Jaredcm1/Tiger/DSCN0766.jpg)


Using a 19mm deep wall socket, remove each fitting from the tank.   Release each through the first quarter turn slowly.  This is where most people break the connectors.  After they are out, you will need to clean out any sealant or Teflon tape that remains in the threads of the fuel plate.  I used some steel picks and a small brass brush followed by some foam tip swabs and some acetone.  Careful not to let any debris fall into the fuel line beyond the threads.

Now disassemble the new fittings in the same way.  I used a gallon size freezer bag to disassemble the parts in to catch and keep the pins and springs.

These fittings (old and new) are BSPT threaded.  This is a tapered thread.  These threads are designed to seal better the tighter they are threaded.  The old parts were plastic.  The plastic threads stretched and deformed, letting you tighten the threads all the way down.  That's not going to happen with metal on metal without causing some damage to your fittings or worse, your fuel pump plate.  Some people use Teflon tape on these fittings. But for every post I found on the internet of people using white Teflon tape successfully on fuel fittings, I found one suggesting against it.  I decided to use a tiny amount of ThreeBond 1194 I had from sealing up the alternator cover.  It's rated for high pressure and fuel use.

After applying your sealant of choice, thread in each fitting hand tight.  Tightening these down properly requires a bit of luck I think.  Since this is not OEM a torque setting could not be found, but others on another thread suggested tightening and leaving 3/8" of thread exposed (4 of 5 threads).  The more you turn them, the harder they turn, and it makes lining up the release tab to where you want it a little scary.  After they are tightened and positioned where you want them, reassemble the springs and pins with the release slide.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/Jaredcm1/Tiger/DSCN0755.jpg)


My hose fittings were secured with Norma COBRA clamps...
http://82.145.133.139/kunden/norma/ttw. ... RA__en.pdf (http://82.145.133.139/kunden/norma/ttw.nsf/res/...AMP_COBRA__en.pdf)

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/Jaredcm1/Tiger/DSCN0751.jpg)


You can remove these and replace with worm drive clamps, but I like the tidy install of the OEM clamps.  No sharp edges or pieces for hoses and wires to bind up on.

To remove them, I used a pair of nippers to compress the clamp, then used a flat blade screwdriver to twist and release the clamp.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/Jaredcm1/Tiger/DSCN0757.jpg)


Twist out the old fitting, twist in the new, and then compress the clamp with the nippers.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/Jaredcm1/Tiger/DSCN0758.jpg)

Reinstall the tank.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r143/Jaredcm1/Tiger/DSCN0762.jpg)
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Post by: walker on February 20, 2009, 10:15:51 PM
excellent write up!

good information on the size of the fittings, and that clamp!
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Post by: Tonto on July 28, 2009, 05:31:09 PM
Great write up, came in very handy this week when my plastic return fuel connector  fractured, only replaced with another plastic for now but I think I will go all metal in the near future when I change the fuel filter, many thanks for taking the time to post that up.
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Post by: EvilBetty on July 28, 2009, 07:52:02 PM
Great to hear.  Glad to help.
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Post by: TURTELLE on July 31, 2009, 11:40:05 AM
:D  Great write up. This mod is absolutely essential to Tigers, IMO.
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Post by: Stretch on August 23, 2009, 05:11:16 AM
It would appear that Team Triumph has changed their internet domain name.

Here's the new link to their Tiger page...

http://www.triumph1.com/tiger.htm (http://www.triumph1.com/tiger.htm)
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Post by: brad1098 on August 23, 2009, 02:27:39 PM
Oh no.  I had a failure of the male fittings on a ride a couple years ago.  Triuph dealer replaced both plastic male fittings with anodized aluminum ones under a "recall" for free.   2 years later performing 12k service I broke a female fitting.  Triumph dealer had me replace with plastic.  I think the dang things were $15 a piece.  

Can I buy just the female metal fittings?

How did I miss this?  :sleepy1
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Post by: EvilBetty on August 23, 2009, 08:10:21 PM
Not from Team Triumph, but you can from QuickCouplings.

2 x LCD10004BSPT - 1/4 BSPT Valved CPC Coupling Body  for the tank fittings.
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Post by: TigerTrax on August 24, 2009, 01:07:12 PM
Nice job Evil Betty...

Too bad Triumph couldn't perceive this and eliminate alot of
problems and expense for their buying public.  But of course that would be thinking forward.
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Post by: georover1 on November 22, 2009, 10:03:34 PM
Hey EvilBetty
I just broke one of my female tank fittings and wanted to order the metal ones like you did but i am a little confused on the size. Is the 1/4" measurement on the "1/4 BSPT Valved CPC Coupling Body" the inside dia? Because mine appears to be closer to 1/2" on the outside threads.
Thanks
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Post by: EvilBetty on November 23, 2009, 06:26:10 AM
I'm not really sure where they come up with these measurements.   I do know that everyone I have heard of replacing their fittings are using the 1/4".  

THIS I would expect to be standard since I highly doubt Triumph made fuel plates with different size fittings on them.
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Post by: iansoady on November 30, 2009, 11:15:46 AM
The 1/4" on BSPT (stands for British Standard Pipe Thread) refers to the bore of the (usually gas) pipe that the thread would be formed on - hence the apparent discrepancy.
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Post by: EvilBetty on November 30, 2009, 04:59:16 PM
"British Standard Pipe Taper" actually :)

T = Tapered thread.
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Post by: iansoady on December 01, 2009, 11:56:37 AM
According to my "Machinery" Screw Thread Book, BSPT stands for British Standard Pipe Thread (BS2779:1956); the taper is BSTP (BS 21:1957). So we're both right (or wrong).

But you're probably righter than me as it's clearly a tapered thread.

Not that anyone except us cares.........
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Post by: EvilBetty on December 01, 2009, 03:15:23 PM
Hell your answer seems more technical than mine.  I concede :)
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Post by: Bixxer Bob on December 01, 2009, 10:39:27 PM
Quote from: "iansoady"
According to my "Machinery" Screw Thread Book, BSPT stands for British Standard Pipe Thread (BS2779:1956); the taper is BSTP (BS 21:1957). So we're both right (or wrong).

But you're probably righter than me as it's clearly a tapered thread.

Not that anyone except us cares.........


Are you talking about "Machinery's Handbook"??? a 3" thick leather bound bible to anyone involved with machine tools by any chance?
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on December 02, 2009, 01:06:10 AM
That's a serious tome, I could never afford one as a young engineer (spent all my cash trying to keep my Ariels on the road), the little yellow flip pocket book (forgotten the name but it's sitting above my workbench) was the most I could hope for.
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Post by: iansoady on December 02, 2009, 12:12:47 PM
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"

Are you talking about "Machinery's Handbook"??? a 3" thick leather bound bible to anyone involved with machine tools by any chance?


Same publisher but 200-odd pages devoted entirely to screw threads. More than anyone could ever want to know, including thread forms, tolerances etc etc. Keep it beside the lathe for ready reference although it's getting a bit tattered.

I did have a copy of the 3" book but think I lent to someone once & didn't get it back.
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Post by: Bixxer Bob on December 02, 2009, 07:00:12 PM
A mine of information for all things machine-related.  I remember once needing to remove a radar head main bearing (about 6ft across) at 3am on an Island 400 miles from home.  We weren't sure that the crane could lift it and the weight of the bearing wasn't known.  I rang my wife and got her out of bed (not a good idea) and directed her to Machinery's.  With some help she found the table giving weights of materials.  Once we knew the weight of a cubic inch of steel, she could go back to bed, we could calculate the worst-case weight of the bearing and got the lift done.

Those were the days.....  :?
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Post by: macgart on December 11, 2009, 05:13:34 AM
Thanks E.B. for the great pics in your write-up.  I had one fitting break off and had a helluva time getting the pieces out.  Good thing I was replacing the fuel filter at the same time.

I feel much better now that the plastic ones are out of the picture.
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on December 11, 2009, 06:16:08 AM
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"
I rang my wife and got her out of bed (not a good idea) and directed her to Machinery's.


Is she talking to you yet  :lol: I just remembered the little booklet is Zeus Tables, carried it around for so long I must be gettign senile to forget that  :icon_scratch
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Post by: Bixxer Bob on December 11, 2009, 08:46:07 AM
My copy's still in the top of my tool box even after all these years, it's a very dog-eared 1980 "Metricated" version, cost £1.05 - they cost around £6 now so I guess that's not bad in comparison.


Aahhh,,,, those were the days: a drawing, a machine tool and a lump of metal.  Life was simple then; pity we didn't know it at the time.  

These days it's programmes that are too big, budgets that are too small, people who don't know how to stick to a schedule and ongoing hostilities.  

Just got my guys back from Afghanistan safe and sound for Xmas. There's going to be a party......
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on December 11, 2009, 09:26:12 AM
Definately worth a celebration  :party  :new_xmas

Sorry for the hijack EB
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Post by: iansoady on December 15, 2009, 12:11:49 PM
Apologies for pushing this back on topic but.....

I decided to put the metal fittings on my 04 even though I'd had no issues with either male or female side - and guess what, the plastic ones came straight out of the tank with no problems! I've ordered the new ones from Omega (http://www.omega.co.uk/ppt/pptsc.asp?ref=FTLC) who were very helpful and reasonably priced. Just waiting for them to arrive now.

However, I'm a bit confused about the male connectors / hoses. The 3/8" one is fine but the other looks (and measures) to be 5/16" rather than 1/4" (which is what I've ordered). Unfortunately Omega (like everyone else) doesn't seem to stock a 5/16" valved elbow (would be  FT-LCD230-05 if the numbering is consistent). I'm considering using 1/4" ID hose to make sure I get a good seal around the elbow.

Any views?
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Post by: EvilBetty on December 15, 2009, 03:21:17 PM
What is frustrating is that the OEM fittings are metric, and all the replacements are standard sizes.

To add to the confusion, at least on my bike the male elbow fittings were of two different sizes.

I used a 3/8" on the larger one and it fit nice and tight.  I had to use a 1/4" connector on the smaller one and it's not as snug as I would like but it hasn't ever leaked.
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Post by: Chris Canning on December 15, 2009, 04:26:50 PM
I only changed the female half,the male one's which are metal work fine.
Title: Thanks again guys!
Post by: Nimrod11 on May 03, 2010, 05:07:39 PM
Thanks for the great post. I just had my Sunday ruined by a damn $10 part!!! Unbelievable how these little savings are irritating! I was way out in the middle of nowhere, no cell phone reception, on a dirt road through a national park. Fortunately a couple of friends on beemers towed me back to civilization.

I would certainly urge people to change theirs, if not already. It is not a question of if it will break, but when. The Quickcoupling guys are great and it is cheap to buy and ship. I only wish I had done this before. Just 6 months ago I replaced my fuel meter (yet another poor Tiger item, always breaks) and had the tank out. Could have been smart and changed back then.

By the way, not wishing to hijack this post, but any other tips of what always breaks on Tigers? What should I do before it breaks?

Thanks again!
John
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Post by: EvilBetty on May 03, 2010, 05:11:09 PM
Glad it helped.  I did mine when I was changing the fuel sender and air filter.  Don't regret it.

There really are not any other (this WILL break) parts on a Tiger, but it might be a topic for another thread if you want to start one.
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Post by: Guest on May 04, 2010, 12:24:09 AM
Just to throw my 2 cents in. Fortunately mine broke in the garage while doing a valve check. Would have been really pissed if I was out by Chicken or some place in the middle of nowhere up here.

Only problem I had was that I bunged up the thread a little on the tank plate getting the broken fitting out, tried to find a BSTP tap, nowhere to be found up here. Fourtunately was able to clean up the thread without a tap.  

wonder how long Triumph these plastic pos fittings, 05 only ?
Title: Happy, happy, joy joy!!
Post by: Nimrod11 on May 14, 2010, 09:13:22 PM
My parts arrived today, have been installed and all is well. I ordered as per EvilBetty's first post and all work well.

I also had the same doubt about tightening, as the part doesn't go all the way in and it's hard to know when to stop. Anyway, I used just one wrap of teflon and it's perfect.

Thanks guys again!
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Post by: jamespipers on September 03, 2010, 05:44:42 PM
You can go to an fitting website, they can give you some instruction on putting your fittings. I've done that part of my fittings, and I found it really hard to me.
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Post by: EvilBetty on September 03, 2010, 05:48:32 PM
:? Huh?  And Welcome to Tiger Triple.
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Post by: oradbaforpsoft on September 13, 2010, 07:37:49 PM
Quote from: "jamespipers"
You can go to an fitting website, they can give you some instruction on putting your fittings. I've done that part of my fittings, and I found it really hard to me.


that's what she said
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Post by: SHROPSHIRELAD on September 14, 2010, 11:23:22 AM
Took my tiger in for a service in July but have only noticed the other day after taking a panel off the dealer has removed my male metal fuel fittings which I put on and fitted the Triumph ones under the recall which which the 955i had.  I think they were only trying help put you would think the mechanic would of seen they were not plastic and did not need changing as the old ones were not cheap.
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Post by: iansoady on September 14, 2010, 03:46:12 PM
I have long since ceased to be surprsed by the ineptitude of some "professional" mechanics.

There are of course some others who are superb. The trick is telling which is which.....
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Post by: EvilBetty on September 14, 2010, 03:51:24 PM
Quote from: "SHROPSHIRELAD"
Took my tiger in for a service in July but have only noticed the other day after taking a panel off the dealer has removed my male metal fuel fittings which I put on and fitted the Triumph ones under the recall which which the 955i had.  I think they were only trying help put you would think the mechanic would of seen they were not plastic and did not need changing as the old ones were not cheap.


Nice... at the very least he should have known they were not OEM and the take off's should have been returned to the owner.
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Post by: haroldo_psf on September 14, 2010, 09:55:26 PM
Funny this thread came up just now. I noticed a puddle of gas this weekend, and saw that it was leaking from the plastic fitting on the left side of the panel. There was a recall done on the bike, but only one of them got changed I guess.
Anyway, I tried to unscrew the the thing out with a 19mm socket, but the dam thing snapped off!

I used an Easy Out thing and it came right off. It didn't seem like I damaged the threads.

I immediatelly came to this thread and ordered the exact same parts as EvilBetty (are you a girl or is it your bike's name, anyway?). So, thank you for this write up, again.

The pieces and bits on your pictures look the same as in my 2000 885i, so I'm hopefull everything will fit. The new fittings arrived today, via UPS Red.
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Post by: EvilBetty on September 14, 2010, 10:11:51 PM
Right like a girl could have ever figured that all out and posted a logical how to on the matter.  KIDDING!  :lol:

No... I'm just not very original and stole the name from a crappy movie I saw a few years ago...

EvilBetty:  Kung Pow: Enter the Fist (2002) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0240468/)
(http://www.oentertainment.com/InsaneO/KungPow/imagegallery/1PowCast/EvilBetty4.jpg)
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Post by: haroldo_psf on September 15, 2010, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: "EvilBetty"
.....  Right like a girl could have ever figured that all out and posted a logical how to on the matter.  KIDDING!  :lol:

.......


I know! that's what I thought, but I had to ask!  :D

When I tried the fittings, the 1/4 inch one was too small for eitgher hose. So I only did the top one (the one with the white plastic receptacle that you hold in your hands in your how to). I have another 3/8 coming in the mail. Thanks for the tip with the plastic bag while disassembling the fitting. Yep, the bits and pieces WILL fly into oblivion.
Title: Broken connectors: How do I get them out?
Post by: blacktiger on October 04, 2010, 06:06:06 PM
Had the recall, so the metal bits are fine, but both tank-side parts are broken off. Luckily (?) it was in the garage and not on the side of the road like LAST TIME!. After dealing with a butt-load of spilled gas in my drive way, I got the holes plugged but now my bike is effectively dead until I get new connectors.

So, I see much useful info regarding the parts I need to buy to replace the failed connectors, but I have a rather more fundamental problem that needs to be addressed first.

How the heck do I remove the broken parts that are still in the tank?

Someone mentioned an "easy-out" which was my first thought.
Any size in particular?

Any bits of advice (other than tow it to the dealer) would be greatly appreciated!
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Post by: EvilBetty on October 04, 2010, 06:56:17 PM
I have never had that particular problem but many here have, and there have been several posts on the issue.

My only warning would be, be careful.  These are tapered threads.
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Post by: Chris Canning on October 04, 2010, 07:08:59 PM
As said, do a search,there are more ways of getting them out than days in week.
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Post by: Guest on October 07, 2010, 06:04:57 AM
Had trouble getting mine out with an easy out, they were very brittle, ended up grinding them out with a dremel and a small wheel. I was very careful not to damage the threads which was a good thing because the thread is a British pipe thread, a tap for that size and thread was not to be found in Anchorage, would have had to order one on the net from GBR.
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Post by: Bixxer Bob on October 07, 2010, 07:39:13 AM
Got any pics of your Tiger out and about in Anchorage Fishbone? I always wondered about Anchorage since the song by Michelle Shocked made it famous....
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Post by: John Stenhouse on October 07, 2010, 11:18:48 PM
I loved Anchorage! Got a t shirt from the triumph dealer, and some rear pads  8)
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Post by: Bixxer Bob on October 08, 2010, 08:07:12 AM
Quote from: "John Stenhouse"
I loved Anchorage! Got a t shirt from the triumph dealer, and some rear pads  8)


Sulk.... :cry:
Title: HELP!!!
Post by: wingnut111 on November 24, 2010, 06:33:59 AM
So I have a 2003 Girly that was leaking gas (damn plastic connects) and ordered and got the metal ones that I read about here on the site. Rode the bike pissing gas to the local bike shop and asked him to put 'em in. I gave them the instructions taking care to write "Be careful to loosen 1/4 turn gently as these (plastic ones) are known to break. Later HOURS they tell me they're both broken and my fuel pump is damaged. Did they overtighten?
Here's my question. If the fuel pump were damaged how would I have ridden there, how would the bike be able to idle and how would I've been able to do 120mph home from work the other night???
If the pump were faulty wouldn't the bike run rough if at all???
I think he broke it and doesn't want to own up to it!

Any thoughts/comments?
Thanx Van
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Post by: EvilBetty on November 24, 2010, 06:37:15 AM
Sounds suspicious... I'd ask for a better explanation of what occurred during the attempted repair.
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Post by: jphish on November 25, 2010, 02:47:43 PM
Geez - plastic fittings were really a poor idea - what were they thinking ?! Am I correct in assuming the 06 model has metal fittings & thus eliminated the problem ?? It's what I was told by previous owner - but not sure of his 'source'. Don't want to take it on 'faith' - only to be unplesently surprised later. TTFN all.
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Post by: Timbox2 on November 25, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
Quote from: "jphish"
Geez - plastic fittings were really a poor idea - what were they thinking ?! Am I correct in assuming the 06 model has metal fittings & thus eliminated the problem ?? It's what I was told by previous owner - but not sure of his 'source'. Don't want to take it on 'faith' - only to be unplesently surprised later. TTFN all.



The 05 model( Some 04's) onwards has the later setup, only 1 pipe and on the tank its just a right angle metal tube which the fuel pipe pushes over and locks on, Ive had mine off loads of times, never an issue
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Post by: jphish on November 26, 2010, 04:41:37 PM
Thanks Timbox - I'll rest / ride easy knowing there is one less "inconvenience" awaiting. It takes awhile to sort out all the various "beasts" quirks / idiosynchrosies & weak points. After 2 years - finally got my Uly sorted. 06' Tiger seems a bit less 'error prone' in its construction / design. Guess by the end of the Girly run - they got it figured out...then of course you discontinue that model, and move to another.
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Post by: Biglad on January 23, 2011, 11:27:05 PM
Hi All, changed my female plastic fittings for the metal ones this evening. Unfortunately the top one snapped on me and left the plastic threads in the tank plate. It was an absolute horrible job to get this plastic sh*t out. It was stuck fast with some pink stuff and I could not prevent some bits from falling in to whatever is behind the connections. They are only small bits but can they do any harm? The tank is not back on the bike and I don't want to run her before I know everything is OK. Not looking to f-up my fuel pump or something.
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Post by: walker on January 24, 2011, 12:38:22 AM
Biglad - I did the exact same thing. Just remove the plate - on the back is the fuel pump and the fuel filter... you can disconnect the hoses and flush out any plastic bits.

You should be able to reuse the gasket on the metal plate. Mine was in sad shape, but seals just fine.

You'll want to get them out to prevent them from washing down into the fuel rail and causing problems.
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Post by: Biglad on January 24, 2011, 09:22:44 AM
Quote from: "walker"
Biglad - I did the exact same thing. Just remove the plate - on the back is the fuel pump and the fuel filter... you can disconnect the hoses and flush out any plastic bits.

You should be able to reuse the gasket on the metal plate. Mine was in sad shape, but seals just fine.

You'll want to get them out to prevent them from washing down into the fuel rail and causing problems.


Thanks you for the reply. I was tempted not to touch it as the bits fell in to the return line. I do however not know if this means they will end up in the filter or could they end up in the fuel rack because returned fuel does not pass through the filter again...

The haynes tells me the gasket behind the plate needs replaced which to me means ordering more bits from far away which is a bit of a pain. If it has to como off I might chance reusing it.

It would be great if somebody knew if the return is passing through the filter again or not, i.e. where do the bits end up?
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Post by: iansoady on January 24, 2011, 10:59:50 AM
The return doesn't go through the filter. It does go through the pressure regulator (which is how the pressure is regulated oddly enough).

I took the plate off when I replaced the fittings purely becuase the tank is such an awkward object to handle, but I was lucky and the female plastic parts came out without any drama, and the gasket was in good shape so no problems there either. I must say it's nice to work with substantial rubber gaskets instead of silly paper things like on my Beeza.
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Post by: Chris Canning on January 24, 2011, 04:13:15 PM
I actually had my tank lieing on side with a blanket under the filler cap bit to prop it up and one of the other side to stop it sliding,like all the others have said,it's easy peasy taking it out,and incase you missed the how to bit,buy a filter from a BMW dealer their cheaper.
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Post by: Biglad on January 24, 2011, 05:10:38 PM
That's the way I went at it as well. Tank on an old sleepingbag on it's side supported all around. I suspect there's only a liter or two of petrol in the tank which was helpfull.

I've bought a few clear sorting boxes in my local LIDL at 1.99 each. They have a lot of little compartments to keep screws you remove, fittings and springs etc.

I have decided not to take the plate of the tank at this stage, unless these little bits come back to haunt me.

I would like to get her out on the road for a few miles as that's the only thing I haven't done yet!! I'm sure I'll find one or two more things to do after. I'd like to get that chain and sprockets fitted as well...
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Post by: jwray76 on February 20, 2011, 01:45:02 AM
Replaced mine today and everything wend really smoothly. Unfortunately when I took it out for a short test ride later they started to leak some when under pressure. Pretty sure it is not leaking at the threads on the tank. Hopefully it is just the one hose that was a little loose with the stock clamp. I will take a look at it tomorrow and see.
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Post by: EvilBetty on February 20, 2011, 07:14:06 AM
Mine did that too... it was the threads.  They have the be tightened more than you would think.

A member here suggested hosing the dry fittings and hose connections with deodorant spray. They kind that leaves a white powdery film behind.

Right away showed my upper was leaking from the threads.
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Post by: jwray76 on February 20, 2011, 11:00:00 PM
Quote from: "EvilBetty"
Mine did that too... it was the threads.  They have the be tightened more than you would think.

A member here suggested hosing the dry fittings and hose connections with deodorant spray. They kind that leaves a white powdery film behind.

Right away showed my upper was leaking from the threads.


Messed with it for a whilie this afternoon and pretty certain that it isn't the threads. With the fittings disconnected and turning the battery on to pressurize the fuel there is no leak. Looks like the o-rings on the male fittings got buggered up and aren't sealing properly. Now I need to see where I can get some of the right sized o-rings from.
Title:
Post by: EvilBetty on February 21, 2011, 08:58:09 AM
I almost edited my response on the other thread to suggest you check the male fitting o rings.  One of my leaks was attributed to a knackered o-ring.

I found some in the HELP! brand section of the auto parts store.  I pack of various sizes of brown Vitton o-rings.  Was about $5 I think.
Title:
Post by: iansoady on February 21, 2011, 11:08:52 AM
Quote from: "jwray76"
Now I need to see where I can get some of the right sized o-rings from.


Your local friendly dealer. But take plenty of cash......
Title:
Post by: jwray76 on February 22, 2011, 03:20:29 AM
So I found some o-rings today and that seemed to fix the major part of my problem. Still not happy with how the fittings work though, even with the o-rings oiled up it is very difficult to get them installed without pinching an o-ring. For future reference the o-ring appears to be 5/16" ID by 7/16" OD with 1/16" thickness.

Unfortunately thought that wasn't the entire problem. Apparently it is leaking at the threads too. I think it is a combination of not tightening enough and not letting the thread sealent cure.

So it looks like I need to siphon the tank and go at it again  :twisted:

Oh well at least the weather isn't too good yet.
Title:
Post by: iansoady on February 22, 2011, 11:08:46 AM
Remember you need Viton O rings or they'll just swell up and disintegrate.

When you put the two parts of the coupling together, push the spring clip so it doesn't catch the O ring.

Lubricate the ring with a smear of Vaseline or similar.
Title: Thanks to EB
Post by: oradbaforpsoft on March 02, 2011, 02:43:06 AM
Add me to the list of grateful owners for this write-up.
I just replaced my fittings - on the tank side. Thank's to this post I was able to not break anything or lose anything.
At the same time I replaced the fuel filter with a BMW equivalent, as well as the tank plate rubber gasket.
I used teflon tape and tested for leaks by making extension hoses - as per another article in here - an starting up with the tank on a table next to the bike.
The only thing I would have done differently, is empty the tank using one of those extension hoses prior to removal - siphoning using a hose sucks and gasoline tastes really bad.
I am now learning to use the mustang valve shim tool, replacing brake pads, looking to flush the cooling system, etc. etc.. not bad for a noob.
Thanks EB - you rock!
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Post by: jwray76 on March 02, 2011, 03:39:33 AM
glad it worked for you the first time! I did get a chance to work on mine again this weekend and it appears that I am good to go now. I used a thread tape for gas lines this time (PTFE) and tightened down the fittings quite far. Also I just got some of the Viton O-rings in from the coupling vendor today so I will swap those out soon. I will keep my fingers crossed that I have no more leaks.
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Post by: EvilBetty on March 02, 2011, 06:06:44 AM
Awesome guys.  Glad you're getting them sorted.

This bike rejuvenated my withering mechanical skills as well.  Last car I changed oil on before getting this bike had a carburetor!
Title: 1999 fuel line side?
Post by: jrockrat on March 15, 2011, 10:58:17 AM
Does anyone know for sure if the 1999 Girly would need the 3/8 or 1/4 size for the fuel line side? I know in the original post I saw EB used one of each, but in a later post someone said the 1/4 was too small so they sent for another 3/8.
Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: 1999 fuel line side?
Post by: jwray76 on March 15, 2011, 11:10:13 AM
Quote from: "jrockrat"
Does anyone know for sure if the 1999 Girly would need the 3/8 or 1/4 size for the fuel line side? I know in the original post I saw EB used one of each, but in a later post someone said the 1/4 was too small so they sent for another 3/8.
Thanks for the help!


I used one of each on my 2002 and just used a screw type clamp to make sure the 1/4" was nice and tight.
Title: FYI
Post by: jrockrat on March 22, 2011, 11:24:26 PM
On my 1999 Tiger (2) 3/8 hose barb fittings would have been the way to go. The 1/4 is really small and I don't know if I want to risk trying to clamp the hose down on it and then hope it doesn't leak.
It looks like both hoses have the same ID, just a different OD. I should have torn into it before ordering but hey live and learn.
I'm trying to see if I can exchange, but don't know if they'll go for that...we'll see.
Title: Good company
Post by: jrockrat on March 25, 2011, 01:13:16 PM
Well QuickCouplings.com is going to do me an even swap. That's a good company. I'd recommend them if anyone is looking to do this upgrage.
Title:
Post by: Guest on March 30, 2011, 03:57:35 AM
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"
Got any pics of your Tiger out and about in Anchorage Fishbone? I always wondered about Anchorage since the song by Michelle Shocked made it famous....


Hey Bixxer Bob, sorry for the delayed responsemust have missed your post. I don't have any pics of Anchorage but I have a lot around the state. Had trouble attaching pics. When I figure it out I'll PM a few.
Title: Fittings in the tank
Post by: Totos Tiger on April 04, 2011, 06:17:35 PM
Thanks for the write-up.  Just bought my 2003 recently and it has aluminum fittings on the hoses plugged into the plastic fittings I believe.  The plastic ones are screwed into the tank.  Should I replace all 4 or just the plastic ones.  I am not sure if these are interchangable with the metal fittings.
Title:
Post by: matts23 on April 05, 2011, 12:51:42 AM
I just replaced my tank side fittings last weekend.  My 2002 has red anodized aluminum hose side fittings.  I put new metal female tank side fittings on.  I had no problems except for, like others on here, the o-ring on the male side was not very good after removing the fitting from the tank.  The existing aluminum fittings will work with the new females, but I would get a couple new viton o-rings size 5/16" ID 7/16" OD to make sure you have a good seal.  Mine leaked when I first put it back together, so I replaced the o-rings on the male sides and sealed up perfectly with the old hose side fittings.  I am going to order a pack of the right size o-rings and every time i remove the tank, I will just replace them for piece of mind.  Cheap insurance if you ask me.
Title: viton o-rings size 5/16" ID 7/16" OD
Post by: Totos Tiger on April 05, 2011, 01:24:57 AM
Thanks for the quick response.  Where did you find the viton o-rings?
Title:
Post by: matts23 on April 05, 2011, 01:50:23 AM
I remembered EvilBetty saying he found a variety pack at O'reilly auto in the help packages.  I bought a pack there to get going but I am going to order a pack online from McMaster-Carr.  Then I will have 100 of them for about $8.00.  I love that place, you can buy anything from them.
Title: 2005 has the plastic fittings too!
Post by: geotiger on April 05, 2011, 02:52:31 PM
Hey all,

Just wanted to let you know my experience.  I have a 2005 tiger that had the plastic fuel fittings so I replaced with the Team Triumph metal kit.  Good thing I did because I no sooner put the socket over the old ones and barely started turning and both plastic females snapped.  So I tried digging out the remaining and only succeeded in buggering up the threads.  A new fuel plate, fuel filter and rubber gasket and I'm back in business.  Installed the metal fittings probably a bit tighter than recommended but they don't leak so far.

I just wanted to post this because I have read that only model years up to 2004 had the crappy plastic fittings.  But in my case I had a 2005 and the plastic fittings.
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Post by: EvilBetty on April 05, 2011, 05:31:18 PM
I had an early 2005 and it too had the old return fuel system with the plastic fittings.
Title:
Post by: gilly527 on May 08, 2011, 07:56:20 PM
You don't happen to know if the fittings for the 2001 Tiger are the same as the 04 or whatever the year was that has been talked about above?

I just had my tank off today, and put all the hoses back on my my tank female fitting on top is spraying fuel everywhere as soon as the pump goes when the key is turned.
Title:
Post by: Chris Canning on May 08, 2011, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: "gilly527"
You don't happen to know if the fittings for the 2001 Tiger are the same as the 04 or whatever the year was that has been talked about above?

I just had my tank off today, and put all the hoses back on my my tank female fitting on top is spraying fuel everywhere as soon as the pump goes when the key is turned.


04 should be wire wheel,so the answer is yes,almost certainley you've bust it,could be worse try it while your actually riding the bike and on holiday a long way from home  :(
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Post by: EvilBetty on May 09, 2011, 05:51:05 AM
Quote from: "gilly527"
You don't happen to know if the fittings for the 2001 Tiger are the same as the 04 or whatever the year was that has been talked about above?

I just had my tank off today, and put all the hoses back on my my tank female fitting on top is spraying fuel everywhere as soon as the pump goes when the key is turned.


Yes, should be the same.

Easiest way to check is to go onto BikeBandit and source the part for your bike, write down their model number.

Then go look it up for the newer model.  See if the part number is the same.  If not, you've got something a bit different.
Title: Ughhh
Post by: jrockrat on May 10, 2011, 11:43:50 PM
Still fighting a small leak after doing this! I guess it's the o-ring even though I've tried two different o-rings. It only leaks when the lines are under pressure, and it's leaking at the connection between the male and female fittings. I'm going to try to find some o-rings tomorrow. I sure hope this fixes the problem. For something that seems really straight forward and easy this has been a real pain!
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Post by: Putts255 on May 11, 2011, 12:11:02 AM
I just got mine from the place that Evil Betty recommended.

I confirmed before they arrived that they did not have Viton o-rings and that they will need to be replaced with the Viton type as they will be used for gas.  I am hoping my local auto-shop will have a set for me when I go looking this weekend.

If I get them I will try and post manufacturer and part number, but no guarantee's.
Title:
Post by: EvilBetty on May 11, 2011, 07:06:32 AM
You can only replace the one set on the male fittings.  The valves in each fitting will still be using BUNA rings.
Title: Grrrrrrr!!!!
Post by: jrockrat on June 14, 2011, 10:51:55 PM
This is crazy!!! I determined something was wrong with one of my female fittings so I ordered another one and installed it. Now it's leaking at the threads!! I keep tightening but it's still leaking. I installed it with threebond 1194 so I'm really starting to get frustrated. The plastic ones weren't leaking but I thought I'd try this due to what I've heard and it's been nothing but problems. I'm thinking of pulling the fitting out AGAIN and putting more threebond on it and try again.
Has anyone actually stripped put the threads with the metal fitting? I'd really like to try tightening it more but don't want and expensive repair. What's crazy is the top fitting worked perfect first time and I don't think it's as tight as I've got the bottom one. I just want to ride!!!! :)
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Post by: gilly527 on June 14, 2011, 11:31:38 PM
I don't know exactly what threebond is... but you should wrap a bunch of teflon tape around the fitting. Make sure that you wrap it the correct direction so that when you screw the fitting in, it doesn't try and unwrap the tape. Also, when I replaced mine, I was surprised how far the fittings actually can screw in. I wouldn't be too worried about it. If you wrap a bunch of teflon tape on there though, you shouldn't have a problem if you get them 'tight'.
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Post by: matts23 on June 14, 2011, 11:50:51 PM
I used teflon tape and it worked just fine the first time.  Go get the teflon tape in the yellow package though, it is rated for gasoline.  You can find it at home depot where the natural gas pipe and fittings are sold.
Title:
Post by: jrockrat on June 15, 2011, 01:07:38 AM
Thanks for the input. I'll give the tape a try. At least with that I can tell quicker if it works since I don't have to wait for it to cure like the threebond.
Title:
Post by: Mustang on June 15, 2011, 01:43:08 AM
Quote from: "jrockrat"
Thanks for the input. I'll give the tape a try. At least with that I can tell quicker if it works since I don't have to wait for it to cure like the threebond.

I'm thinking you didn't get the threebond slathered on thick enough and or not fully cured before adding gas to the tank .
the tape will do the trick
Title:
Post by: EvilBetty on June 15, 2011, 05:22:05 PM
Even I resorted to Teflon tape.   :oops:
Title:
Post by: jrockrat on June 16, 2011, 01:28:13 PM
Tape it is then  :D
As long as I can finally ride without a leak, I'll be one happy dude!  8)
Title: Female fittings UK
Post by: oldbanker2003 on July 17, 2011, 08:30:23 PM
Help guys

I need to replace the plastic female fitting were can I purchase in the UK ?

And why do these things happen when you've no time to sort.
Rode home from London with fuel pissing every were and ran out!
And put in half a tank to limp home and get off on holiday shit.
£40.00 on fuel to get 40 miles and risk going up in flames good hoiliday and no flames  :D
Title:
Post by: Chris Canning on July 17, 2011, 09:35:36 PM
Tom Parker

http://www.tom-parker.co.uk/contact.php ... call=true& (http://www.tom-parker.co.uk/contact.php?v=1&recall=true&)

Sounds like you got off light,we were 3 miles outside Dover on the way to Monza when they sheared off with a full tank,dumped the bike got hire car back 200 miles, home 11pm,reloaded bike gear onto another bike,got up 3.30am rode back to Dover,because the ticket was out of date by 12 hours had to buy another,met friends in Calais and rode to Switzerland in the rain did 770 miles that day on 3 hours of sleep,and 400 the day before,how Triumph have got away with those poxy plastic female couplings I'll never know.

When I phone up Tom Parker and asked for the two females,voice says you either a Triumph or a Harley  :wink:
Title:
Post by: KuzzinKenny on July 18, 2011, 12:07:27 AM
Quote from: "Chris Canning"
When I phone up Tom Parker and asked for the two females  :wink:


Sounds like a good nite in  :shock:  :ImaPoser  :ImaPoser

KK
Title:
Post by: Chris Canning on July 18, 2011, 07:55:20 AM
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"
Quote from: "Chris Canning"
When I phone up Tom Parker and asked for the two females  :wink:

Sounds like a good nite in  :shock:  :ImaPoser  :ImaPoser

KK


Very good!!

Oh and having bought 2 new Triumph original replacements and then changed my mind and phoned Tom Parker up,his are cheaper,well they ain't his their American but you know what I mean  :D
Title:
Post by: Kraftsman 73 on September 03, 2011, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: "EvilBetty"
Right like a girl could have ever figured that all out and posted a logical how to on the matter.  KIDDING!  :lol:

No... I'm just not very original and stole the name from a crappy movie I saw a few years ago...

EvilBetty:  Kung Pow: Enter the Fist (2002) (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0240468/)
(http://www.oentertainment.com/InsaneO/KungPow/imagegallery/1PowCast/EvilBetty4.jpg)


Are you kidding, Kung Pow, Enter the Fist is hilarious.  I have the move in my DVD collection.  The overdubbing is over the top.
On a side note, some mention the bike being top heavy.  During my short ownership, I have not noticed any top heaviness.  I have notice and am enjoying the nimble handling of my Tiger.  Still need to install the off road map to smooth out the low rpm stumbling.
Title: reuse the old female dry-break connectors
Post by: notch on April 17, 2012, 01:45:21 PM
First off, thanks EB for an excellent post. I snapped one of the female dry break connectors yesterday when working to balance the throttle bodies and flush the radiator. Probably about time as they are now 12 years old and I've had the tank off a couple dozen times. Glad it happened I guess, otherwise I would not have replaced them. Real glad it happened in the garage. Anyway, one good thing about them being plastic is that plastic melts! Another post recommended heating a flat-blade screwdriver that is wide enough to span the broken connector threads, sticking it in the connector where it will melt the plastic, and letting it cool and harden around the blade. I accelerated the cooling process by rubbing the screwdriver shaft with an ice cube in a paper towel. I then used channel locks on the screwdriver handle to remove the broken connector. Worked great for me. Used EB's technique of curved dental picks ($2 from Harbor Freight) and a brass brush to clean the threads. Since the plate was off the tank for a new fuel filter, I was able to flush out any old thread crap that fell into the tubes with water so that it didn't end up in the fuel rail/injectors.

I was able to remove the other fitting without breaking it, and decided to use it for a fuel line extension. Since the male fittings were already replaced, and the return fuel hose on the brake side was long enough to reach the tank when off the bike, I connected 18 inches of fuel line to the threaded part of the old female connector and purchased one male connector for the other end. Now I can easily connect the fuel lines to the tank (which straddles a towel-covered workmate perfectly) on the right (brake) side of the bike. My fuel pump connector was taped up with the fuel injector wires and wouldn't reach the tank on the right side, so I sliced the sheath back to the point about six inches from where the last injector wire was, cut off the connector there and spliced in about 12 inches of 16 G wire (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/msg,34014 (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/msg,34014)), covered the splices with shrink tube, and wrapped the whole length in electrical tape. Just to be super anal (as the bike goes nowhere if this connection fails) I ran the extended wire through a loom. I then looped it back and forth along the fuel rail using zip ties to secure. Now when I need to connect the tank when it's off the bike, I just cut the zip ties and clip in the one fuel line extension and I'm good to go!
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: cba191 on August 27, 2012, 09:26:38 PM
My project for the week. 
Title: RE: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: cba191 on September 07, 2012, 08:10:00 PM
Fwiw, quickcouplings.net has crappy shipping and customer service. They lied about when they were shipping, and it will be 3 weeks from the time I ordered to the time I can install 2 weeks from order to "scheduled" delivery. I'm a little bit pissed.
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: amschnellsten on September 08, 2012, 12:17:12 AM
Not sure where you are located but I just received another set last week and they arrived three days later.
Title: RE: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: cba191 on September 08, 2012, 03:33:03 AM
I'm in Utah. I got an email saying they were shipping on the 30th (I ordered on the 27th). I called them today and they said it didn't ship til the 4th and it's scheduled to arrive on Tuesday. 
Title: RE: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: cba191 on September 14, 2012, 08:11:55 PM
Got the parts for install this weekend. They apologized, and explained, so it's all good. :)
Title: RE: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: cba191 on September 19, 2012, 03:28:44 AM
Got it done finally! Did 250 miles yesterday with no gas smell at all. :)The old o-rings were a mess, so that was probably the problem.
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: edhaeuser on January 29, 2014, 06:05:33 PM
I know this thread has not been posted on for a while, but I just ordered a set of couplings from QuickCouplings and the elbows now come standard with Viton o-rings as opposed to Butan.

Ed
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Bixxer Bob on January 30, 2014, 09:24:56 AM
Good to know Ed, thanks!
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Chris Canning on January 31, 2014, 12:40:18 PM
Still got the original males on mine it's only the females that caused the trouble fuel connectors that is  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: benebob on April 03, 2015, 04:31:15 PM
Just to get this straight as I didn't realize that the later Tigers do not have these fittings right?  Took my tank of the 06 today for the first time to replace my regulator with a series style and was planning to order some metal fittings.  Seems  don't need to unless I'm missing something.  That said, is there a replacment for the fragile looking fitting on the tank side of an 06.
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: iansoady on April 04, 2015, 01:40:14 PM
I think your bike only has one but AFAIK it's still the feeble plastic version which should be replaced by a metal one. But others will know better.
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: dino1 on April 29, 2015, 03:29:26 AM
I have the metal fittings on my tank but my o rings are shot. Where to go for replacement o rings??
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: John Stenhouse on April 29, 2015, 09:24:17 AM
Search for Viton O rings on here they were listed in someones post
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: klingklang on November 15, 2015, 03:53:36 PM
It is my turn, mine broke while removing the tank.  just to share if needed, enter the parts number here
freshwatersystems.com

10-14$
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Jonsharron on December 16, 2015, 10:54:28 PM
Hey KlingKlang, now my tank just started leaking gas!...I have plastic fuel fittings going into the tank.  I checked freshwatersystems.com and my postage to toronto was $51 usd.  Was it the same for you?  Seems crazy.  Cheers, Jon :5moped
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Dyn Blin on December 16, 2015, 11:09:13 PM
may be worth checking the o-rings.  Any nick or brittleness from age with cause them to leak.  However, I'm surprised any of the old nylon fittings have lasted to this point, & a good idea to swap them out even if a bit costly.  Any plumbing outfit that carries "Colder" brand fittings can source them.  The cost seems a bit high.
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Bixxer Bob on December 17, 2015, 04:32:47 PM
Just to get this straight as I didn't realize that the later Tigers do not have these fittings right?  Took my tank of the 06 today for the first time to replace my regulator with a series style and was planning to order some metal fittings.  Seems  don't need to unless I'm missing something.  That said, is there a replacment for the fragile looking fitting on the tank side of an 06.

The cast wheel tigers have only one metal male fitting.  The female fitting is plastic but doesn't give any trouble except the viton O ring sometimes leaks.

Funnily enough, Triumph are now recommending changing the fuel hose every four years across the whole range of bikes.  I presume to counter increasingly high % ethanol in the fuel  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Timbox2 on February 06, 2016, 08:44:25 AM
Just another update for people mainly for UK though if your looking for suppliers;

Ive just ordered the whole kit and kaboodle to replace the plastic females in the tank with metal and also a set of plastic ones to make up an extension hose set.

From these people   http://uk.rs-online.com/web/

RS P/No: 387-2511    Colder Products P/No: LCD10004BSPT  (Metal Females for Tank)

RS P/No: 138-278      Colder Products P/No: PLCD17006  ( Plastic Barbed Valved Females for Extensions, To Fuel lines)

RS P/No: 138-385      Colder Products P/No: PLC22006 ( Plastic Barbed Non-Valved Males for extensions, To Tank)


Free next working day delivery, or even collection from some branches, the whole lot was around £57 delivered, the metal ones account for £37 so the complete extension hose set up will cost around £25, Triumph wanted £100 or so last time I checked



Oh, Ive also ordered a pack of 10 O rings for the males as one of mine has a slight nick in it, so If anybody needs 1 in a hurry give me a shout and I'll stick one in an envelope
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: tk1ng on January 04, 2017, 09:53:25 PM
I got my Tiger (an 03) last spring, rode the heck out of it all summer: http://tkmotorcyclediaries.blogspot.ca/2016/07/around-huron.html
... and then put it away for a long Canadian winter.  When I took the tank off last year it didn't cut the fuel flow when I removed the pipes so I stuck a pencil in it.  When it did it again this time I discovered this thread and just ordered the metal fittings you suggested.  Thanks for this.

Funny how even years later this thread is keeping Tigers going.

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SHkOXnjRnTc/V_pUX_xLjVI/AAAAAAAA-fU/Ds7Fx3W88uUDrI47ouVULlnZ7E8vd8e4ACLcB/s1600/IMG_20161007_080618.jpg)
Commuting through ice fog on one of my last days on 2 wheels in 2016
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Sin_Tiger on January 04, 2017, 10:18:06 PM
Not so  :rfl that there are still some out there with plastic fittings holding on for dear life, glad you got them before they  :grnb got you.

Crackin photo  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Timbox2 on January 05, 2017, 07:47:21 PM
I got my Tiger (an 03) last spring, rode the heck out of it all summer: http://tkmotorcyclediaries.blogspot.ca/2016/07/around-huron.html
... and then put it away for a long Canadian winter.  When I took the tank off last year it didn't cut the fuel flow when I removed the pipes so I stuck a pencil in it.  When it did it again this time I discovered this thread and just ordered the metal fittings you suggested.  Thanks for this.

Funny how even years later this thread is keeping Tigers going.

The thing is, as many here know, Triumphs recall all them years ago only ever covered the male fittings for the hoses, they somehow got away with the females in the tank plate, so yes its very possible that there are still many out there with potential time bombs.
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: t4tiger on October 12, 2017, 09:18:08 AM
Million thank yous for the write up.  Just done this with no problems.  The bit about not screwing the tapered threads in too far was a life saver.
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: born to be mild on October 24, 2017, 10:12:35 PM
Same here, fitted the Stainless ones from RS as per Tombox's post, they went in a treat. Fourteen years of the plastic ones sitting over the heat of the engine as they age and being exposed to petrol doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: abruzzi on October 25, 2017, 02:17:16 AM
Hey, the 2002 I just bought still has plastic male fittings, I'm sure there are plenty that never got done.
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: abruzzi on October 25, 2017, 02:46:01 AM
Well, since I'm here, I might as well put in the order to take care these now.  So two things--thep parts EB listed in the first post don't have viton o-rings as far as I can tell.  But there are identical looking items with a V in the part number that has the viton o-ring for a dollar more.  I assume these are the best way to go:

http://quickcouplings.net/osc/product_info.php?products_id=1158
http://quickcouplings.net/osc/product_info.php?products_id=1005
http://quickcouplings.net/osc/product_info.php?products_id=1006

The other question, there is some back and forth on the thread about whether it has 3/8 and 1/4 hoses, or two 3/8 hoses.  Is there any final consensus on this?  I'd rather not get the wrong one then be out of commission for a couple weeks until the right one arrives.
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Timbox2 on October 25, 2017, 05:42:42 PM
From the factory the two hoses were different, feed was the 8mm or 5/16 (White),  return was 10mm or 3/8(Red)
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Timbox2 on October 25, 2017, 05:47:21 PM
Hey, the 2002 I just bought still has plastic male fittings, I'm sure there are plenty that never got done.

Oh yes, you might even get metal ones out of Triumph still for free, but the Triumph metal males dont have valves so leak a bit when you disconnect
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: abruzzi on October 25, 2017, 06:00:27 PM
Oh yes, you might even get metal ones out of Triumph still for free, but the Triumph metal males dont have valves so leak a bit when you disconnect

I may do that.  The valve on the tank side is more important.  The quick connect website doesn't list any 90 degree 5/16 fittings, though they do have straight through.  3/8 is pretty close to 10mm, and 5/18 is pretty close to 8mm.  Interestingly, looking for 90 degree 5/16, I found this:

https://www.beemerboneyard.com/cpcqkdisconktm.html

I wonder where they are getting the 90 degree 5/16 because I couldn't find it on CPCs website.  I also don't know if it's compatible with the "LC" connectors on the tiger?

Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: abruzzi on October 26, 2017, 02:50:32 AM
So, as the beemerboneyard link suggests, there is a CPC part with the 90 degree 5/16" fitting.  I emailed them and they don't sell the part separately, but he did give me a part number:  LCD23005V

He said that they are special order and they need to order 500 to get a reasonable price.  Armed with that part number, I did find one source that claims to sell the part by itself for $25:

https://www.gothamcycles.com/metal/brass-plated-chrome-metal-gas-tank-fuel-pump-male-quick-release-disconnect-516-bmw-ktm.html

They also list an entire "triumph" kit with two males, two females, extra o-rings, hose clamps and thread sealant. The kit doesn't list the sizes of the various parts, so I have an email in to them, and I'll post what I hear back.  The "triumph" kit:

https://www.gothamcycles.com/metal/triumph-brass-plated-chrome-metal-gas-tank-fuel-pump-quick-release-bspt-disconnect-set.html
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: abruzzi on October 26, 2017, 05:26:43 AM
You know that when you post three times in a row in a forum thread, you know that you're talking to your self... anyway, I heard back from Gotham, if I order their triumph kit and request a 3/8 and 5/16, they will provide it.  It's a nice $90 kit with everything I need (free shipping).  So I placed the order.
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Timbox2 on October 26, 2017, 05:43:01 AM
You know that when you post three times in a row in a forum thread, you know that you're talking to your self... anyway, I heard back from Gotham, if I order their triumph kit and request a 3/8 and 5/16, they will provide it.  It's a nice $90 kit with everything I need (free shipping).  So I placed the order.

Yeah, seems a reasonable deal
Title: Re: Installing Metal Fuel Fittings
Post by: Sin_Tiger on October 26, 2017, 07:20:32 AM
At least you'll get an agreeable answer  :icon_wink: