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Tiger Time => Girly Talk (1999 - 2006 Tigers) => ECU and Fuel Injection => Topic started by: Kingbob on August 22, 2016, 02:17:36 PM

Title: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 22, 2016, 02:17:36 PM
i hope someone can help
i bought 885i  it starts and runs for a minute ish and then slowly dies
Now if i disconnect the top/return fuel pipe from the tank it squirts and reconnect it the bike will then start and run for a minute ish again
but if i dont disconnect release the pressure and reconnect the pipe it wont start at all.
all done with the fuel filler cap off/open so the tank isnt pressurising

any advice ???

Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: nickjtc on August 22, 2016, 04:22:27 PM
If it's fuel injected it needs the pressure from the fuel pump to force the fuel through the injectors, unlike a carburetted bike. So if there is pressure then your fuel pump is probably ok. Kinked fuel supply line?? I'm sure someone will chime in on this....
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 22, 2016, 07:14:58 PM
checked all pipes no kinks
should there be pressure in the return pipe too ?
and why would it start after releasing the return pipe pressure
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: PeteH on August 23, 2016, 03:39:38 PM
The return and feed pipe are on a common rail so yes it will be pressurised, apart from that I have no idea what the problem is...sorry...
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 23, 2016, 10:15:18 PM
 Im wondering if there is a blockage in the tank on the return.
Tank off again lol
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: PeteH on August 24, 2016, 10:53:47 AM
Have you tried just taking the return pipe off and pushing in the plunger on the tank fitting?
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Sin_Tiger on August 24, 2016, 12:15:47 PM
Quote from: PeteH on August 24, 2016, 10:53:47 AM
Have you tried just taking the return pipe off and pushing in the plunger on the tank fitting?

With a fire extinguisher close at hand  :grnb
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 24, 2016, 10:25:23 PM
yes the plunger seems fine
i might take the tank off tonight
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: PeteH on August 25, 2016, 10:16:44 AM
Quote from: Kingbob on August 24, 2016, 10:25:23 PM
yes the plunger seems fine

And you got fuel when pressed in?
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 25, 2016, 03:35:11 PM
Erm no i dont think so
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Timbox2 on August 25, 2016, 05:55:09 PM
Think youve got to take the fuel pump plate off and investigate, blocked filter, blown pipes, pump???
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 25, 2016, 10:59:29 PM
The hose thats on the fuel pressure regulater is that suppose to be connected somewhere ?
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: PeteH on August 26, 2016, 12:25:08 PM
Quote from: Kingbob on August 25, 2016, 10:59:29 PM
The hose thats on the fuel pressure regulater is that suppose to be connected somewhere ?

Yes, but I dont know where....you will have to trace it back
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 26, 2016, 05:46:02 PM
Found where it goes on the airbox
But still no joy
I think i might ebay it and go back to bmws
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Chris Canning on August 26, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
Ha ha with an 1100s for the last 16 years a K1200r Sport for 7 years an a new S1000XR I like keeping my 955 Tiger it's easy to work on and I do it all my self well nearly all :rrr :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 26, 2016, 07:39:44 PM
im just getting rather peed off with it
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 26, 2016, 09:28:16 PM
im thinking its the fuel pressure regulator the pooped
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Chris Canning on August 28, 2016, 03:50:11 PM
Quote from: Kingbob on August 26, 2016, 07:39:44 PM
im just getting rather peed off with it

With the greatest of respect the first thing I'd do is strip the tank off put a new filter in, the tank will be full of shit(they all are) then put it back together as per the book check the pump and if it doesn't work ask questions.

I'm really the last person you should as I had 2 885i's from new and I thought they were both shite  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 28, 2016, 04:06:42 PM
had th tank of 6 times pump out twice changed the filter cleaned the tank out which did have a small amount of water in and crud but still no joy
the pump is new and was working fine till i stripped it all down 2 weeks ago to change the head gasket
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Chris Canning on August 28, 2016, 05:15:02 PM
So your saying the pump isn't working now?

And come to think of it Tim had the same problem after he had stripped his the pump had just got kaput but if yours is new it's either a connection or fuse or another pump to prove the other two wrong.
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 28, 2016, 05:20:44 PM
i ment the bike was running and ticking over ok untill i stripped it down and rebuilt it but now its as if there is too much pressure in the return hose from the common rail to the tank  and on the return there is only the port into the tank which is free and the fuel pressure regulator
thats why i think theres and issue with the fuel pressure regulator but id like to know exactly what it does
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Chris Canning on August 28, 2016, 06:17:58 PM
I can't help because I've never had a problem despite having my tank way into double figures but there's plenty of info if you google Triumph tiger fuel reg not anyone seems too concerned about such.
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on August 28, 2016, 06:28:26 PM
cheers anyway
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: PeteH on August 30, 2016, 01:40:30 AM
got one here if you want to try it...

ps, did you find where he other end of the tube went??
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Bixxer Bob on August 30, 2016, 11:57:00 AM
Starts, runs, then dies after a minute or so....

Dunno which options you've eliminated so basics.

Does it run ok with the fuel cap open?  Possible blocked breather.

When it dies are the plugs wet? Evidence that fuel is getting through (or not).

Are the injectors firing after it stops?  Take the airbox off and look in the inlets.

Reason I'm raising this is you say you have fuel pressure and a new pump, so... assuming there is enough pressure from the pump the only thing that can be happening is the relief valve isn't opening so there's too much pressure in the fuel line.  You'd know about it if that was the case because it'd have been a big spurt when you disconnected it and while it was running it would have smelled awfully rich.

Without checking the actual fuel line pressure it's hard to know what's going on.  If the new pump is ok and the pressure is down then you have either a leak, a blocked filter or a u/s regulator.  Checking the injectors are passing fuel will give you a clue.

If they aren't then the most likely reason is a weak battery.  (WEak batteries will crank the engine but the starter takes so much of the ampage that the ECU can't fire the injectors).
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on September 18, 2016, 05:50:59 PM
Hi thanks for the info it ended up being the plug inside the tank to the pump which was very loose.

But still not fixed
It ticks over till it warms up a little then slowly dies but if you give it a little throttle it runs but rough ?
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Kingbob on September 26, 2016, 05:42:06 PM
Fixed it
i will hold my hands up  it was all my fault yes im a plonka
the icav wasnt plugged in
so now it works a treat and is forsale
Title: Re: fuel pressure issue
Post by: Bixxer Bob on September 26, 2016, 07:21:30 PM
 :cp

We need a "smacks forehead" emojie.....

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