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Title: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: adetheblade on June 12, 2016, 03:05:50 PM
hello again, ok i will keep this as brief as i can. 2001 tiger 955i snapped male connector (bottom fitting ). read all threads on here (very helpful ). previous owners obviously didnt take bike in for 2004 recall for metal connector replacement !!!! soooooo, (1) would triumph (remotely) consider still offer to replace same, taking into account it is still a safety recall despite time span? and (2) if not, where can i get the full metal set (2 male / 2 female fittings ) here in the uk please ? thanks again for your valued help. cheers Ade
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Bigfeesh on June 12, 2016, 04:25:50 PM
Sprint Manufacturing will have them, helpful on the phone too; http://www.triumphparts.gbr.cc/
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Chris Canning on June 12, 2016, 05:42:33 PM
All the info in 'How too' but I can't remember a recall,there was on the early 885 tiger cuz the males were plastic but the males on my 2001 are metal the female is plastic and there has never been a recall even though there should have been
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: PeteH on June 12, 2016, 08:49:49 PM
Got my tank fittings from here, https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.tom-parker.co.uk/&ved=0ahUKEwjKo-Szk6PNAhUFLMAKHSeqDMUQFgiNATAV&usg=AFQjCNFQYELSwLYmqb1qY-UpUUE_BvNlvA&sig2=BS0dpfgihXPA8UG48uVGFA
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: adetheblade on June 12, 2016, 08:52:57 PM
thanks for replies all, checked with vosa, recall was made in 2004 ( rm/2004/006 )and my bike vin falls within that group ( 16,500 bikes in total ! ) will be visiting dealer tomorrow to see what the score is, as apparently because it is a known safety recall, there should be no time limit put on the remedial work. cant fathom out why this wasnt done way back when ! will keep you updated ( only downside is as already stated on here, plastic female tank inserts will remain unchanged.......half a job eh ! ) cheers Ade
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Timbox2 on June 12, 2016, 09:17:58 PM
Think your chancing it, One or both of the females will probably fail mate, right when you really dont need it. I would do them now, I ordered mine online from RS and had them next day, £30  odd quid for piece of mind. By all means try and get Triumph to replace the males, though good luck if your thinking of  Bevans

http://uk.rs-online.com/web/

RS P/No: 387-2511    Colder Products P/No: LCD10004BSPT  (Metal Females for Tank)
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Chris Canning on June 12, 2016, 10:37:27 PM
I'm intrigued cuz if the bikes are 04/06 surely that's the single fuel connector and not the double that was used on the early ones.

Anyroad up as Tim says it's the females that you be to be worried about which will snap off as soon as you breath on them.
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: adetheblade on June 12, 2016, 11:04:00 PM
Quote from: Chris Canning on June 12, 2016, 10:37:27 PM
I'm intrigued cuz if the bikes are 04/06 surely that's the single fuel connector and not the double that was used on the early ones.

Anyroad up as Tim says it's the females that you be to be worried about which will snap off as soon as you breath on them.

chris, hope this link will explain it better than i can mate, fourth entry down list. bear in mind my bike is 2001.  thanks for input/advice btw. Ade
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/searches/search.asp?cboStartMonth=1&cboStartYear=1992&cboEndMonth=1&cboEndYear=2020&cboMake=TRIUMPH&cboModel=TIGER&cboSortOrder=rec_launch_date&cboAscDesc=ASC&PageSize=10&tx=0.9874798&newsearch=newsearch
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: PeteH on June 13, 2016, 01:43:38 AM
Mine were done under recall a couple of years ago 1999 885i, changed the tank ones to metal for the Wales meetup...absolute piece of pish to do ....
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Chris Canning on June 13, 2016, 09:24:49 AM
Quote from: adetheblade on June 12, 2016, 11:04:00 PM
chris, hope this link will explain it better than i can mate, fourth entry down list. bear in mind my bike is 2001.  thanks for input/advice btw. Ade
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/searches/search.asp?cboStartMonth=1&cboStartYear=1992&cboEndMonth=1&cboEndYear=2020&cboMake=TRIUMPH&cboModel=TIGER&cboSortOrder=rec_launch_date&cboAscDesc=ASC&PageSize=10&tx=0.9874798&newsearch=newsearch

I think think that's the later model like Bixxer's with just one fuel connector,had my 885 done ,well actually they gave me the males and I did it,but regardless I wouldn't lay a finger on the fuel connector untill you have the parts assuming you have the twin plastic female replacements I've been on my soap box on here many a time about how Triumph should have done a female recall,look for my story on here about what happened to us.
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Bixxer Bob on June 13, 2016, 01:45:51 PM
Mine's the later one with the single metal male output from the tank Chris.  The injector rail hose is  female coupling.
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Chris Canning on June 13, 2016, 02:44:39 PM
In that must have been a dodgy supply of males right at the end of the model,but regardless I would n't go chasing a free pair of males which are worth peanuts only to shear the females off and end up with Bill instead of a freebie.
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: adetheblade on June 18, 2016, 12:28:20 PM
ok, just a quick update...... fitted both new metal tank and pipe connectors ( yes Tim, somehow Bevans caved in and supplied pipe connectors under warranty ! needed a sit down afterwards.) as recommended by the good people here. put bike back together (double checking everything as i went. plonked in fresh fuel ( approx 2 gallons ) and...........nothing ! bike cranks over no problem, just will not fire !! checked via my tune ecu.... everything tests ok, no mil or codes. thinking maybe some sh&te from old plastic tank connectors have got into fuel lines during removal and have blocked injectors as obviously the crap is going to be this side of the fuel filter. any thoughts please before i strip it all back down again :cp cheers Ade
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Timbox2 on June 18, 2016, 01:54:10 PM
When you first turned the ignition on, did you hear the fuel pump and lines prime? Oh, and check you havent inadvertantly knocked the kill switch, Ive done it. Forget that, dont think the engine spins with the killswitch
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: JoeDirt on June 18, 2016, 03:11:43 PM
Yea, it might take some cranking to fill the fuel rail and hoses with fuel. The fuel fittings actually are a valve... if you pop one off you should get a spray of fuel. We have had a bad fitting on this forum (tigertriple) before. I am not saying that's the problem but it's worth checking. Hypothetically, if you did get plastic in the fuel line... you wouldn't clog all three injectors at once. You should at least be getting an engine sputter...  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: adetheblade on June 18, 2016, 08:03:48 PM
thanks for replies guys, Tim..yep fuel pump primed and filled fuel lines ok, Joe......my thinking too, maybe one of the injectors if i was that unlucky, but surely not all in one hit, unless blockage was at the end of fuel rail, then starving all injectors, don`t know at a loss until i open her back up perhaps. cranked her over more than enough to fill / pressurize lines, rail etc. running fine after i did throttle balance, then snapped connector and chaos since !! just my luck. :m Ade
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Bixxer Bob on June 18, 2016, 10:33:53 PM
HEre we go   :icon_rolleyes:, memory refresher, and only my thoughts as mine's in bits at the moment.

Kill switch cuts dash lights and it wo't turn over.

Cluch switch stops it turning over.

Side stand switch allows it to turn over but not fire.

Discuss  :icon_study:
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Bixxer Bob on June 18, 2016, 10:43:15 PM
IF your bttery is down on power, it will crank ok, but the injectors don't fire (something else I've done so you don't have to....)  Since you're going back in there it's n esy check, just whip the airbox off and look down the TBs with the butterflies open while you crank.

You could look at TuneECU  for injector pulse in diagnostices, but I don't know if that will tell you whether the injectors are actually firing or only that the ECU is sending a pulse.
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: adetheblade on June 20, 2016, 09:16:15 PM
hello all, just another update...... taken all fuel system apart ( fuel rails / injectors / fuel pump assembly ) cant see anything obvious.all hoses inside tank were in place etc. sprayed carb cleaner into TB and she fired straight away ( fuel delivery problem confirmed. ) injectors / fuel rail internals were dryish . i think the problem is pump end, reason being, i dont get any pressurised spurting from feed pipe when i disconnect from tank after priming system. pump is making all the right noises but maybe not doing its job correctly. something else that caught my eye was filter is oe triumph one with a possible date stamp on it ( 16.03.01 ) if thats right then its possibly the original filter ( which i will renew with a mahle anyway). next question is do i buy a new pump and be done with it ? cheers Ade
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Timbox2 on June 20, 2016, 09:43:20 PM
Funny mate, mine went (Pump) not long after I bought it, and weirdly when I was also doing similar stuff to you, replacing Q/R's etc. I bought a complete S/H pump and plate off ebay for £50. I notice that you can buy brand new pattern pumps for less than that but I wasnt sure how good they are and if they are truly plug and play. Oh yeah, mine made all the right noises too, but on testing it there was no pressure
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: JoeDirt on June 20, 2016, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: adetheblade on June 20, 2016, 09:16:15 PM
question is do i buy a new pump and be done with it ? cheers Ade

It would be a "peace of mind" purchase... ebay.UK has them for http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262386212466 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262386212466)

About the same price as a filter...  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300938753392 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300938753392)
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: adetheblade on June 20, 2016, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: Timbox2 on June 20, 2016, 09:43:20 PM
Funny mate, mine went (Pump) not long after I bought it, and weirdly when I was also doing similar stuff to you, replacing Q/R's etc. I bought a complete S/H pump and plate off ebay for £50. I notice that you can buy brand new pattern pumps for less than that but I wasnt sure how good they are and if they are truly plug and play. Oh yeah, mine made all the right noises too, but on testing it there was no pressure

uncanny eh ! what im gonna do Tim is drop the pump into a jug of fuel with a pipe connected. test it from a seperate battery just to see what pressure if any is there just to satisfy myself its shot ! (ran out of time tonight ) will buy a pump and filter anyway, just a curious boy thats all. thanks for input mate :icon_salut:
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: adetheblade on June 20, 2016, 10:23:04 PM
Quote from: JoeDirt on June 20, 2016, 09:47:49 PM
It would be a "peace of mind" purchase... ebay.UK has them for http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262386212466 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262386212466)

About the same price as a filter...  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300938753392 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300938753392)

thanks for the links Joe, just had a peek and will be pry-barring my wallet open anytime soon. thanks for help mate. :*
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Sin_Tiger on June 21, 2016, 12:00:45 AM
If your pump checks out OK, make sure the new connectors are pushed well home, being new they will be stiff.
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: adetheblade on June 26, 2016, 06:21:34 PM
back again...new pump and filter fitted, running like a champ ! old pump was tested and was very weak, filter wasnt really clogged as such. there ya go ! next question is i`ve fitted an aftermarket open can this week and have loaded up a 10121 map. having read Mats new iacv setting thread, my old map 10120 (factory can ) had an iacv value of just 2, and when i loaded in the 10121 map that gave an initial value of -3 :bug_eye. as BB has suggested to Mat, do i gradually (hopefully) creep that figure up as close to 35 as poss ? pick up and back to idle seem reasonably good :m thanks again all. Ade
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Timbox2 on June 26, 2016, 06:56:10 PM
Quote from: adetheblade on June 26, 2016, 06:21:34 PM
back again...new pump and filter fitted, running like a champ ! old pump was tested and was very weak, filter wasnt really clogged as such. there ya go ! next question is i`ve fitted an aftermarket open can this week and have loaded up a 10121 map. having read Mats new iacv setting thread, my old map 10120 (factory can ) had an iacv value of just 2, and when i loaded in the 10121 map that gave an initial value of -3 :bug_eye. as BB has suggested to Mat, do i gradually (hopefully) creep that figure up as close to 35 as poss ? pick up and back to idle seem reasonably good :m thanks again all. Ade

If its running ok I would leave it alone, see my post from yesterday on Mats thread
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Bixxer Bob on June 26, 2016, 08:03:54 PM
Agreed. If it's running ok leave alone. 

Mine used to run very low numbers till I found a tiny leak on one ICV pipe.  (think about it, it the numbers are low then the air must be coming from somewhere else).  Hopefully I'll have mine running again tomorrow so I'll have a better idea then.
Title: Re: brittle fuel connectors
Post by: Chris Canning on June 27, 2016, 09:44:44 AM
I've 2 bikes that have PC's fitted and another with a Rexxer map they run exactly as the day they were set up years ago,the 955!!! I never know what the hell it is going to do,I've had maps blown into it at dealers and 6 months down the line different again and not laid a finger on it and since the stepper went belly up the bike has a mind of its own at tickover but once the clutch is out runs as well as it ever has.

Fine for us long termers who are used to its quirks god knows what new owners make of them :icon_scratch:
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