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Title: london ulez zone.
Post by: Bostedsprocket on October 16, 2019, 07:28:37 PM
Anybody know what the nox emissions are on a girly?   :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on October 17, 2019, 01:40:29 PM
HockleyBoy is the person to speak too but he's looking for another bike because.....
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on October 17, 2019, 02:30:00 PM
The Girly (before 05) dosent meet the emissions regulation just because of year of manufacture. You can apply to Triumph for confirmation that it meets Euro 3 and then apply for dispensation for your individual bike I believe. All seems like a lot of work!
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Bostedsprocket on October 17, 2019, 08:31:32 PM
yeah it does seem a hassle, I was only wondering as I know the low emission thing is coming to brum next year, as that's a bit close to home I was looking at possible options other than new bike. bloody government makes everything hard. :BangHead
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on October 17, 2019, 09:51:40 PM
Bit of a strange one really because for the last 50 years i've Described Birmingham city centre as a 'Shit Hole' but in recent years rather grudgingly I have to admit it's come on in leaps and bounds god knows where the money has come from but risk parking a bike there?? Errr that's a no 2 of our 6 bikes will be ok to go into to town and a recently acquired van but non of our cars will be and my money will be car parks springing up on the edge of the ring road for us poor soles who can't afford either a new or electric car.
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on October 17, 2019, 10:23:31 PM
For Birmingham a lot will depend on whether they do a blanket charge based on year of registration or whether they do it more sensibly on manufacturer declared emissions in which case a cast wheel tiger would be exempt.

Any way mines got to go regardless as you may have seen in the bikes for sale section!
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Bostedsprocket on October 19, 2019, 06:12:46 PM
Quote from: HockleyBoy on October 17, 2019, 10:23:31 PM
For Birmingham a lot will depend on whether they do a blanket charge based on year of registration or whether they do it more sensibly on manufacturer declared emissions in which case a cast wheel tiger would be exempt.

Any way mines got to go regardless as you may have seen in the bikes for sale section!
What you going for next?
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on October 21, 2019, 10:09:16 AM
I am between a 1050 Sport and a 1200 Explorer at the moment, depends what turns up over the next few days that fits my budget, is new enough and has low enough mileage. Hopefully its the right time of year as sales slow a bit towards winter so prices drop a little.
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on October 21, 2019, 08:39:06 PM
For the miles you do i'd Never go shaft drive in a million years despite having two bikes with such where as you can be back to brand new with chain and sprockets for 150 quid.

Just a shame there's no 1050 Sport with a 5 gallon tank.
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on October 22, 2019, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: Chris Canning on October 21, 2019, 08:39:06 PM
For the miles you do i'd Never go shaft drive in a million years despite having two bikes with such where as you can be back to brand new with chain and sprockets for 150 quid.

Just a shame there's no 1050 Sport with a 5 gallon tank.

Worth bearing in mind but I am drawn to the Explorer XRT at the moment, I like the gadgets (I know that means more to go wrong!) and there are some good deals on pretty new bikes.

Do you know of any specific Explorer issues with the shaft drive or is the mileage concern general?
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on October 22, 2019, 10:02:19 PM
Shaft drive period when things start to wear then it turns into an expensive hassle re the gadgets with 6 bikes on the go ranging from Stone Age to fairly modern the latest stuff is geared up for one thing and that's bail out when the warranty does the thought of you doing what you have done with your 955's forget it or bee very lucky.

That's why I look at the 1050 Sport it's one of the last of the dinosaurs with very few gizmos to burn you too the ground financially it's one set of rules for folks like me who have a nice day out like today and put the bike away in the bad weather but for your lot in the SE it's either PCP and bail every two years it's something older for the long haul or both  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on October 23, 2019, 10:39:40 AM
Agree with you Chris, I know the sensible thing to do is buy something cheaper that I can put 100k miles on over the next five year and then write off but equally if you ride every day whatever the weather some of the comforts are nice. For example I have loved my Tigers but the bloody screens have been a nightmare, never really happy and my hearing is not what it was after a couple of hundred thousand miles despite trying various screens earplugs and helmets. Whereas the electrically adjustable barn door on the explorer would probably solve the problem!

I have been looking at resale values and whatever I buy, after 12 months I am f*&%d as a bike with over 20k on it appears to be worth bugger all, on the other hand I can buy a 2 year old explorer with full luggage and all the bells and whistles and 12k on the clock for less than 9 grand.

Might let my heart rule my head this time but it will depend on what turns up.
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Post by: London_Phil on October 23, 2019, 05:51:37 PM
I hope you get a good deal on something, but remember, the Tiger forum is worth more than a few measly pounds of some other product...
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on October 23, 2019, 06:25:29 PM
My current food chain starting from the top is.

KTMGT
S1000XR
K1200r Sport
Tiger 955
1100s
XT660X

I get where your coming from with joining the 21st century  :icon_lol: but anyone wanting to join the bike trade as a mechanic I use the word advisedly better be good with software because i'm Starting to see horror stories with my top 2 when they see shitty weather here's hoping the 1200 Tiger is better because how you or what means you use to diagnose your technical glitch seems all the craze.
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on October 24, 2019, 10:36:44 AM
Interesting even the S1000XR may not weather well as that was the other bike on my list! Have been looking at reviews of explorers and sports but haven't seen anything too bad but then I don't know how many get properly ridden. Did see one explorer owner with 100k miles on one forum where the shaft drive had just gone at 100,500 and it was repaired under extended warranty so that may be a wise investment.

Basically I need to get around 5 years out of any bike I buy and as long as its reliable and I am prepared to accept it will be worth nothing at the end of 5 years its just a matter of how much I am prepared to pay each year.

Oh well I will just have to keep looking!
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on October 24, 2019, 05:53:59 PM
I've had my non ESA XR 4 years next march gone the usual route Dymags/Wilbers/Akra Headers/Power Commander but jeez I wouldn't want to commute on it.

In your situation what would I do if shaft drive was on the list?? Through gritted teeth i'd Buy an FJR1300 having to like it might be difficult but it would do the job and some.

Going off on a completely different subject we are in a KTM dealer sorting the GT out only ever been in a couple of times before half way through the conversation the guy says You ever had a 955 Tiger with SuperMoto wheels  :bug_eye he says I sold it to you 19 years ago at Windy Corner...... Oh yes and i've Still got it' not sure who was the most gobsmacked  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Bostedsprocket on November 01, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
I am also thinking of getting an explorer, but would want the xc with spoked wheels they seem to hold there value better, with regards to the shaft I think they are pretty sound from a mechanical point of view but if you look at bikes on ebay with 40k plus miles on them with owners saying used daily very reliable etc, the paint finish is very hard done by all peeling cracking etc, easily tidied up with a weekends elbow grease I reckon, I used to think I would miss the 24ltr tank but my mate gets 220 miles out of his 20ltr 2018 explorer 1200, I get around 240 out my 955 but I wouldn't let 20 miles be a deal breaker on a 1200. 
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on November 03, 2019, 10:38:41 AM
Ended up pulling the trigger on a 2017 Tiger Sport with very low mileage and plenty of extras luggage, centre stand, heated grips etc.
Pick it up next week😀
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on November 03, 2019, 04:33:24 PM
Was that the one close to you.
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on November 03, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
Pretty close, unusually its white. Checked with original dealer and they had it custom painted to order.
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Timbox2 on November 03, 2019, 07:28:33 PM
Quote from: HockleyBoy on November 03, 2019, 05:34:01 PM
Pretty close, unusually its white. Checked with original dealer and they had it custom painted to order.

Nice, personally think you made the right choice :thumbsup
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on November 03, 2019, 09:09:38 PM
Thanks, it was a difficult choice. I really like the explorer but the sport is probably much better for what i do. Anyway price was right, mileage good and it has all the extras i was looking for so cant waitTuesday when i pick her up😀
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on November 03, 2019, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: HockleyBoy on November 03, 2019, 09:09:38 PM
but the sport is probably much better for what i do.

And there by hangs the rub it was a no brainier really  :icon_lol:

There has always been a gap between what you want as opposed to what you need  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on November 05, 2019, 07:01:30 PM
Picked her up this afternoon, 50 mile ride (not exactly direct :icon_biggrin: ) home.  Early days but I think Im going to like this bike!
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on November 05, 2019, 09:11:27 PM
Photos please  :icon_lol:
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Post by: HockleyBoy on November 06, 2019, 02:03:01 PM

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49023671761_2f95e8c2d1_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hG48E2)Tig10501 (https://flic.kr/p/2hG48E2)

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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49023166798_ea8239a9df_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hG1xxL)Tig10503 (https://flic.kr/p/2hG1xxL)
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: London_Phil on November 06, 2019, 06:12:33 PM
Just don't wear a POLITE vest....
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Post by: Bostedsprocket on November 06, 2019, 06:18:10 PM
Looks ace mate im well jealous, enjoy it.
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Post by: Lee337 on November 06, 2019, 06:33:04 PM
Yep, like the look of that.  :thumbsup
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on November 06, 2019, 07:02:08 PM
Oh blimey  :icon_lol: that's the way to buy e'm......
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on November 07, 2019, 08:55:42 AM
Dont worry wont be wearing a Polite vest any time soon😀

Taken me a while to get there but seem to have got a pretty good deal in the end. Paid £7,950 for basically a brand new bike with loads of extras. Hopefully there wont turn out to be any hidden issues.,
Did first commute On her yesterday and she is perfect for that.
Have just got the Triumph rack plate and Givi adaptor for the Explorer so I can get my old top box on as panniers are no good for London.
And back to the original topic, I am now ULEZ compliant😀
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Timbox2 on November 07, 2019, 11:38:20 PM
Looks well nice, actually like it in white. Hidden issues?  Very much doubt that
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on November 08, 2019, 08:06:59 AM
When folks walk into my garage with 6 bikes the first question is always the same if I could only keep one which would it be and it's very easy to answer my 955 what you have bought is the end game of such and I know Tim's went very well.

I'm certainly in no rush for another bike but hope what Triumph are learning from Moto2 we will see a big bore version of the 765 in the future and in a Tiger/Multistrada guise count me in.
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on November 08, 2019, 10:11:55 AM
I wasn't sure about the white but when I went to see the bike loved it. The photos don't do it justice.

Chris I am like you and would have run my 955 forever if I could have, it did everything I wanted and was pretty reliable. I wont be saying goodbye to 955s either as I am keeping my first orange one, have a replacement engine in the garage so it will be a bit of a project for me when I ever have time!.

Have done a couple of hundred miles on the Sport now and it already feels like another long termer to me but will also be watching with interest what Triumph come out with next.

Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: HockleyBoy on November 19, 2019, 02:29:48 PM
So two weeks in and have put on just under a thousand miles (more than double the original owner managed in two years!), still loving the bike :icon_lol:.  Henceforth Rain Mode shall be known as Commuter Mode, it's ideal for the London commute as it takes the edge off the FBW throttle. I am getting just under 55 mpg, need to fill up at 175 miles but pretty sure I could push it to 200 if I needed to. This is really good compared to the Girly which was giving low 40's mpg.

Very quick and smooth, brakes excellent, a joy to ride. The lower centre of gravity feels good. Only changes so far are a Triumph rack with the Givi plate for the Explorer so that I can get my top box on as panniers are a no no for commuting. Easy to fit and dosent seem to affect handling.

New tyres are on the horizon (as mentioned by Tim, the OEMs are not the most confidence inspiring) as is possibly the comfort seat. The standard seat is not the most comfortable, absolutely fine for 1 or 2 hour rides but I can see it being hard work for longer. I will however give it a while longer to see if it a. softens up or b. I just get used to it before I spend any cash.

Only other investment is likely to be a new satnav, I use my phone quite a bit and its ok in a ram mount but I would quite like a purpose built one for touring with the phone as a back up. Considering the TomTom 550 as a change from my usual Garmins.

PS I know this is probably the wrong place for this post but couldn't be bothered to start another thread!
Title: Re: london ulez zone.
Post by: Chris Canning on November 19, 2019, 04:19:54 PM
For what you needed a bike for nothing better,just hope I don't have to wait too many years for Triumph to produce what I want.
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