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Title: awsome sidecar tiger build
Post by: treewright on July 10, 2012, 03:49:57 PM
found this while scouting for sidecar details (missus fancies a bike/hearse- don't ask!)
http://tripodtiger.smugmug.com/Motorcyc ... ecar-build (http://tripodtiger.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/2009-offroad-sidecar-build)
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Post by: chairhead on July 10, 2012, 07:18:00 PM
Hes had that done a while now,its the second incarnation,a good friend of his built the chair from scratch,it is nice but ive seen better :lol:  :roll:  :wink:
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 14, 2012, 02:34:21 AM
Interesting. My missus it's making similar noises, time to consider what to do with Steamer 2  :roll:

I actually saw a Thunderbird / hearse combo at the Scottish Classics show in Ayr a few Weeks ago, guy actually has a funeral directors business and uses it for bikers send offs  8)
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Post by: chairhead on July 14, 2012, 05:11:57 AM
Quote from: "Sin_Tiger"
My missus it's making similar noises, time to consider what to do with Steamer 2  :roll:



I think this is better looking than mine......................not much though,got "Steamer 2" written all over it :lol:  8)
(http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll130/chairhead64/DSCF2742.jpg)
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 14, 2012, 06:43:41 AM
Oh yes 8)  slightly agricultural seating might not be to her liking but I like the overall look of that. I may well be seeking your advice in the near future.
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 15, 2012, 01:33:00 AM
Now look what you've done  :roll:

I showed her that picture and to my surprise the reaction was  ” that's great”, you'd ride in that  :shock:  ” oh yes”

Then I took a look on the Hedingham website and found this image of a blue Steamer and I am now in the pooh, what have you started   :lol:

http://www.hedinghamsidecars.com/Sidecars-Picture-Gallery.php
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Post by: theclowncrusty on July 16, 2012, 05:06:25 PM
Link not working Sin?  :(
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 16, 2012, 10:42:34 PM
Try that
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Post by: chairhead on July 17, 2012, 05:25:40 AM
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Now look what you've done  :roll:

 what have you started   :lol:



He he he he :twisted:  :twisted:

any Q's Sin,fire away :wink:
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 17, 2012, 12:52:11 PM
Already made contract with Hedingham and the owners club  :D  also had a look at the  Charnwood Royal, nice but big, pricey and no longer in production, the Triptec looks good typo but I think she'd want some weather protection.

So the Gem is looking like the one, even if it looks slightly dated, it'll not look out of place on a Steamer. In fact I see a blue Steamer in the gallery but a very small picture, don't happen to know the owner do you?
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Post by: chairhead on July 17, 2012, 07:09:31 PM
The Charnwood royal is a huge chair and probably not suited for the Tiger,
if it were me and had the money id go for something like this

http://www.ezs-sidecar.com/en/sidecars/rx/rx4 (http://www.ezs-sidecar.com/en/sidecars/rx/rx4)

Squire do the same chair and will be cheaper than EZS,the Munro is a fantastic chair with easy access as its a top loader,but again pricey,the GB agent for EZS is guy called Len Tempest,im sure you can find his details somewhere,the Federation of sidecars website is a good place to ask about the guy who owns the blue steamer,i dont know who owns it sorry.
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 18, 2012, 01:14:51 AM
Now I'm in a quandary. I spotted the EZS connection but my intention was to buy a UK made rig. The RX4 is smart looking set up but I didn't think we needed more than a single seater, certainly not for a noob. It seems that all the flip up rigs are on the larger side though.

Is the difference in the width noticeable with the dynamics?

I spotted Len's name when I was researching training, I might just drop him a line.

Decisions decisions  :roll:
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Post by: chairhead on July 18, 2012, 06:18:27 AM
Dont be fooled by the size of the RX4,
it was just right for my then wife who is 5 ft 6 ins and a size 10,
i think the chair is described as a child/adult but only comfortable for a "normal" sized person,

as for aerodynamics......................... :roll: you wont be to concerned with those  :wink:
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 18, 2012, 07:55:15 AM
No substitute for going and sitting in out then  :o

I was actually meaning the steering weight / cornering. I know what you mean about the aerodynamics though, a brick is a brick no matter how you polish the corners, bit like calling a classic Rangie an aerodynamic Defender  :roll:

I'll on my email as I might just be overstaying my welcome with this hijack.
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Post by: Tripodtiger on November 05, 2013, 11:41:22 PM
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G'day Chairhead.  Amongst the multitude of forums that occupy my time, this one had slipped my memory.  That's happening more & more these days.
I own the Tiger Trek, built in Adelaide by Leigh (who reminded me of this forum & has been lurking :icon_salut:).  It took 2 years to build& it went on the road in Feb 2010.  It's been very good to ride.
I must correct you, the only one that may be better than mine :love10   :augie is the one he is doing at the moment.  'Trek Too' on a '94 Steamer.

Not fussed with yours, so there! :pottytrain2

 :icon_lol:

Seriously now, we are in a very exclusive club. 
I'm working through some videos that Leigh & I made during a 10 day trip we did during September.  Going up on my Youtube channel 'tripodtiger'.
And I'm going through the repairs needed since that trip.  I broke a few things on some fairly rough track that I had to hit fairly hard to get through.  And vibrations etc get to them.
You know how it is.
 :thumbsup

And how do I change my forum id here to match the others I have?
Title: Re: awsome sidecar tiger build
Post by: Sin_Tiger on March 06, 2014, 09:59:16 AM
Here's a very pertinent question our learned colleague Mustang raised.

With rigs there is much more lateral cornering force exerted on the rims, particularly on the rear, that load the rim perpendicular to the rotation plane, exerting greater forces than would normally be experienced riding solo with the bike tipped over. With a good grippy car tyre on the rear that probably increases the forces even more.

Unlikely to be an issue with cast rims but spoked rims are another ball game. What are your (Tripod) experiences with that, particularly since you have pushed it both on and off road more than most. Any experience with broken, bent or spokes loosening?
Title: Re: awsome sidecar tiger build
Post by: Tripodtiger on March 21, 2014, 02:59:23 AM
Here's a very pertinent question our learned colleague Mustang raised.

With rigs there is much more lateral cornering force exerted on the rims, particularly on the rear, that load the rim perpendicular to the rotation plane, exerting greater forces than would normally be experienced riding solo with the bike tipped over. With a good grippy car tyre on the rear that probably increases the forces even more.

Unlikely to be an issue with cast rims but spoked rims are another ball game. What are your (Tripod) experiences with that, particularly since you have pushed it both on and off road more than most. Any experience with broken, bent or spokes loosening?

Belated response, my apologies.

Fact is that Leigh built a 15" 'solid' wheel for the back of mine not long after the first sidecar body was attached to the Tiger.  It wasn't so much that I was really concerned about the wire wheel, it was more an issue for tyre life.  The way I ride it, I was getting maybe 2000km from a rear bike tyre.  One tyre wore out in 1200km.

I was always concerned that the rear spoke wheel may suffer from the places I try to take it.  Contrary to that, the lateral loads on bitumen may be higher than on dirt roads.  I suspect that because I find it much easier to ride on an unsealed road, where the three tyres are able to slide, compared with a sealed road where they are all gripping.  The duration of the turn is also an issue.  Dirt road curves are often of less radius than sealed road turns. Speed is generally less too.

The impact loads on rough roads & tracks are a separate consideration, I think.

Next you could consider what happens when the turning / lateral and impact /radial loads are simultaneous.  Maybe it's better that we don't look  :icon_eek:   ( :sign13 I can see a video being mounted under the bike).


Bear in mind that I have no numbers in evidence of anything above, just 'seat of the pants' physics.

Regarding the front and sidecar wheels?  Not a drama.  No bent spokes, no dented rims.

In the end, it may only be a matter of one's confidence in the equipment.  I'm confident that the solid rear wheel, with a car tyre, is stronger and more reliable than a wire motorcycle wheel.  And I get decent mileage.  And car tyres are cheaper than bike tyres.  That confidence is probably worth everything.

Leigh picked up a cast wheel for the new outfit, so he didn't need to build one, just the adaptor bits.  The fact that it looks horn is just a coincidence.
I think that this is the wheel he is using.  As ever, I could be mistaken.

http://www.antiquetyres.com.au/launcher

Title: Re: awsome sidecar tiger build
Post by: Sin_Tiger on March 21, 2014, 09:00:35 PM
All good stuff. I've pretty much made up my mind to sick with the wire rim, all be it with a wider rim built with heavy duty stainless spokes and a car tyre.

Thanks for the feedback  :thumbsup
Title: Re: awsome sidecar tiger build
Post by: Bixxer Bob on March 21, 2014, 09:36:26 PM
Car spokes maybe?